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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, he didn't.
    Yes he did.
    Abraham Lincoln Quotes About Slavery (Including Sources)
    "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, "Speech to One Hundred Fortieth Indiana Regiment" (March 17, 1865), p. 361.

    "What I do say is, that no man is good enough to govern another man, without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle - the sheet anchor of American republicanism." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Speech at Peoria, Illinois" (October 16, 1854), p. 266.

    "We think slavery a great moral wrong, and while we do not claim the right to touch it where it exists, we wish to treat it as a wrong in the territories, where our votes will reach it." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume IV, "Speech at New Haven, Connecticut" (March 6, 1860), p. 16.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You just went to 1865 when he was politically motivated to talk like that.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You just went to 1865 when he was politically motivated to talk like that.
    Look at post 101 again. There are quotes shown from 1854 and 1860. You've been pwnd six ways to Sunday. Hopefully you learned not to say Lincoln didn't care about slaves. If not. Shrug.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you were using it as a way to win the argument and treat the law as not needing to be defended as if it is always right. That is a fallacy.
    NO. What you are talking about is the fallacy of APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. I am not using the law to say I have won the argument. I am simply pointing out reality in the United States of America in the year 2013 and what that reality says about public accommodation and property ownership and the balance made between the two.

    You, on the other hand, are getting your views about property from............. from ................ from where exactly?
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Look at post 101 again. There are quotes shown from 1854 and 1860. You've been pwnd six ways to Sunday. Hopefully you learned not to say Lincoln didn't care about slaves. If not. Shrug.

    Stupid is as stupid does.
    Actually only this quote harms me:

    "I hold it to be a paramount duty of us in the free states, due to the Union of the states, and perhaps to liberty itself (paradox though it may seem) to let the slavery of the other states alone; while, on the other hand, I hold it to be equally clear, that we should never knowingly lend ourselves directly or indirectly, to prevent that slavery from dying a natural death---to find new places for it to live in, when it can no longer exist in the old." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Letter to Williamson Durley" (October 3, 1845), p. 348.
    The rest where either made to the public or after I was referring when he was politically motivated towards those ends.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    More fallacies by haymarket. You do not win this kind of debate by saying "this is how it is and therefore I'm right."
    It is obvious you do NOT understand what a fallacy is or how to identify one.

    Those are your words. Not mine. You are doing battle with your own strawman of your own creation made from your own straw and in your own barn.

    Again, where are you getting these rights of a property owner from anyways? They certainly do NOT come from the USA as we have already established with the verifiable evidence I provided for you.
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. What you are talking about is the fallacy of APPEAL TO AUTHORITY. I am not using the law to say I have won the argument. I am simply pointing out reality in the United States of America in the year 2013 and what that reality says about public accommodation and property ownership and the balance made between the two.
    Which apparently you aren't open to considering is wrong or open to debate, so you simply bring up the law and tell me to live with it.

    You, on the other hand, are getting your views about property from............. from ................ from where exactly?
    I already told you when I said how ownership works.

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which apparently you aren't open to considering is wrong or open to debate, so you simply bring up the law and tell me to live with it.



    I already told you when I said how ownership works.
    I gave you the law on PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS to show you where my idea of the limits of ownership come from. Now its your turn. Where do your ideas of ownership come from?
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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is obvious you do NOT understand what a fallacy is or how to identify one.

    Those are your words. Not mine. You are doing battle with your own strawman of your own creation made from your own straw and in your own barn.
    This was you:

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    What you said is comepletely and totally irrelevant to the real life conditions int he the USA that we all live under of our own free will.
    What do you call that if not a fallacy?

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    Re: Abraham Lincoln - Right or Wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I gave you the law on PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS to show you where my idea of the limits of ownership come from. Now its your turn. Where do your ideas of ownership come from?
    I already knew where your ideas came from and to tell you the truth that was the entire foundation of my dispute. Did you think I wasn't aware for some reason? Regardless, you were using it to win the debate.

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