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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    The thing though, is that many in the homosexual rights camp want to toss around "oppression" and "bigotry" labels to mirror some Civil Rights movement and to try and milk out some emotional response. Homosexuals are not oppressed, and It's shameful to claim so or to make homosexuals out to be some poor persecuted minority at the hands of those who have differing marital morals.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

    If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?
    According to many Christians there is a separation of church and state and if this is the case than practicing religion in a public school would be forbidden.
    There are many groups that are oppressed but the OP is about gays. Many people still feel the sting of discrimination. There are degrees of oppression that is valid. The oppression that gays are under today is far less than up into the 70's. There are still laws that exist where you can lose a job for being gay in a number of states. The oppression varies depending where I am.
    I have never said though that others in certain situations may well be oppressed. Your example depending on who is reading the constitution is open to opinion.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Gays are redefining "oppression" as well.... LOL

    This is such a stupid argument. I can't walk down the street holding hands with my bf of 3 years without getting nasty looks from people. In many states, I couldn't marry him, adopt a kid with him, or see him in the hospital were he to get sick. To his colleagues at work, I don't exist because he is afraid that if people know he is gay, he might get fired. I don't care whether it qualifies as "oppression" or not. It's needlessly cruel and morally wrong.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There exist a hell of a lot more Christian grants and scholarships
    Organizationally, Christians have had a lot of time to establish themselves.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The thing though, is that many in the homosexual rights camp want to toss around "oppression" and "bigotry" labels to mirror some Civil Rights movement and to try and milk out some emotional response. Homosexuals are not oppressed, and It's shameful to claim so or to make homosexuals out to be some poor persecuted minority at the hands of those who have differing marital morals.
    There are many parallels to the civil rights movement in the 60's. With respect to the marriage equality issue, the legal arguments made re: anti-miscegenation laws in the 50's-60's (see for example Loving v. Virginia) are functionally identical to the legal arguments made re: gay marriage now. Similarly, as I said about a page back, there is currently no federal law prohibiting an employer from firing a gay person for being gay. This is not dissimilar to the position black people were in re: employment discrimination prior to the civil rights movement.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The thing though, is that many in the homosexual rights camp want to toss around "oppression" and "bigotry" labels to mirror some Civil Rights movement and to try and milk out some emotional response.
    We in this thread have made it clear that such comparisons are ridiculous, but certain parallels and similarities do exist.

    Homosexuals are not oppressed, and It's shameful to claim so or to make homosexuals out to be some poor persecuted minority at the hands of those who have differing marital morals.
    I'm sorry digs. The rights of the minority are being deprived at the hands of a majority. And I view the ability to legally consummate a relationship with the person that you love (and who loves you) is a fundamental civil right. Just because gays are not being jailed or sent to labor camps or being "sexually cleansed," or vicitims of genocide, does not mean that oppression isn't occurring. Now I wouldn't necessarily say that gays are being "persecuted," but the point that some level of oppression still exists remains.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Organizationally, Christians have had a lot of time to establish themselves.
    Of course. For both social and historical reasons. Gays up until this point have not had the same opportunities.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    It's not even close in comparison.

    Many things? I'd beg to differ... time has a way of pasting over how bad the civil rights era members had it. Gays can call the police and not get worried about being beaten or shot or dragged behind the car tied to the bumper. And I'm not talking some backwater Louisiana swamp either, this was in major cities and towns across the U.S.

    It's an INSULT to blacks and like I said, I who have no skin in the game as a straight white male, am embarrassed by such a comparison. Yes you're biased and have LGBT skin in the game as a lesbian... you might want to not be so quick to make the comparison.
    You are considering all of the aspects of oppression to the last degree. I'm sorry that I have known gays who were beaten by police and left or jailed afterward. An anecdote is my own knowledge but there are recorded incidents of this as well. In ways there are many similarities among all the groups that were discriminated against. I could easily say that the blacks really had it easy while 6million Jews were being alienated. But the blacks suffered there own oppression just as the gays do. They are all different and to negate the similarities because a class didn't experience the worst of it is foolishness at best. You didn't suffer as badly as we did so it doesn't could. That is an attitude used by children on a play yard.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Gays are redefining "oppression" as well.... LOL

    This is such a stupid argument. I can't walk down the street holding hands with my bf of 3 years without getting nasty looks from people. In many states, I couldn't marry him, adopt a kid with him, or see him in the hospital were he to get sick. To his colleagues at work, I don't exist because he is afraid that if people know he is gay, he might get fired. I don't care whether it qualifies as "oppression" or not. It's needlessly cruel and morally wrong.

    To me, in my opinion, were you to be oppressed you would not just get dirty looks, you're very lives would be threatened - constantly. You'd have death threats... constantly. You would be segregated from society. If you dared march in a gay parade, the beatings may come from the government, from the police, from on lookers. You wouldn't be allowed to eat in the same places everyone else was. You'd be isolated, in danger, and live in fear. You'd be seen as not only a secondary citizen, you'd be seen as less than human. Oppression isn't just physical acts it's mental as well.

    As with all things there are degrees - yes I can agree that on some level gays in some areas are not looked upon as being "normal". Segregated? No. Commonly threatened and or killed with little or no justice? No. But certainly there is a stigma and a view that is not oppression but is more akin to a level of discrimination.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You agree that LBGT are oppressed at the same level as say 1966-1968 blacks in Atlanta? Or Tennessee?
    Were those blacks as oppressed as the Jews who lost everything they had and were being killed by the millions? Please lets have a grown up debate.
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