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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.
    Christians are allowed the same privileges that folks of other faiths are allowed in public schools. Christians are allowed to attach Jesus fish to the bumpers of their cars in the school parking lot. They can where "Jesus is da bomb" T-shirts. They can pray in schools as well. So I don't know where you're getting that Christians "cant express their religion" in public schools.

    If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?
    Who in the world has been given a grant for being gay?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    By your logic Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to express their religion in public schools, etc, because you seem to think every degree matters.

    If there is even one instance of Christians not having a freedom that others have, then by your logic they are oppressed. Are Christians given grants for being Christian, unlike homosexuals who receive such grants?
    Christians students are perfectly free to express their religion in public schools (with some restrictions, for, e.g., formal school activities thought to be endorsed by the school). Teachers and administrators however, are not, because when they're at work, they're acting as agents of the state.

    No homosexual has ever gotten a grant just for being homosexual. I'm sure there are scholarships for gay students, just like there are scholarships for Christians, black students, female students, etc.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    What grants do homosexuals get?
    Well, my friend...

    Gay Scholarship | PointFoundation.org
    www.pointfoundation.org/
    Learn More About Point Foundation, Offering Support to LGBT Students.
    The Point Foundation LGBT Scholars

    Homosexual Scholarships | Grants.EducationGrant.com
    grants.educationgrant.com/
    Homosexual Students May Qualify For Grants Scholarships & Financial Aid
    http://form.educationgrant.com/quali...ence_id=800006

    Those are at least two examples.
    Last edited by Wake; 03-12-12 at 04:10 PM.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I wouldn't argue that, but then blacks in 1960's Tennessee weren't oppressed on the same level as blacks in 1860's Tennessee.
    I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You agree that LBGT are oppressed at the same level as say 1966-1968 blacks in Atlanta? Or Tennessee?
    No, I do not. As has already been stated multiple times, oppression occurs on a spectrum. Blacks in 1960s Atlanta were oppressed. So were blacks in the 1860s South, yet the situation of blacks in 1960s Atlanta was a hell of a lot better than in 1860s Georgia, though both were being oppressed. It is a matter of degree.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.
    The comparison is going a bit too far, but the point that homosexuals are oppressed on some level still stands.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree... and not only would I not argue it, I find the comparison ridiculous.
    As is Wake's assertion that one needs to experience what the Jews experienced in order to be oppressed. Just because we are claiming that gays are currently being oppressed does not mean that we think their treatment is on the same level of blacks in Jim Crow America.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, my friend...


    The Point Foundation LGBT Scholars


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    Those are at least two examples.
    There exist a hell of a lot more Christian grants and scholarships
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, my friend...


    The Point Foundation LGBT Scholars


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    Those are at least two examples.
    Those are privately funded scholarships...your post hinted at gov't grants, or at least that's how I interpreted it...

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