View Poll Results: Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Let me just say this, I am not using semantics, the rest of you that believe there is some kind of hardcore gay oppression are. You want to see gay oppression? Look at Uganda. Look at Kenya. Look at nearly ANY African country. THAT is oppression. In those countries, even if the person doesn't make a big deal about their sexuality, they are found out stoned to death, etc. This isn't something that is punished by the governments in Africa often either, it simply happens. Not being able to get the same tax benefits and adopt a Chinese kid ISN'T oppression, it's just not fair.

    A isolated even here and there which is incredibly bad and sad, where a person is hurt because of their sexual orientation, doesn't mean that everyone in the tri-state area of where that happened is getting oppressed. It simply means there are a bunch of ignorant people in one general area that targeted one guy, and they are punished according to law. I want to know where this seriously happens all the time. I have live in Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and hey every other guy I know might get called a slur from time to time but I'm pretty sure they are big enough that they don't give a **** because they are normally doing pretty good otherwise.
    This very argument has been beaten like a dead horse throughout this whole damn thread at least fifty times now. Just because your life is not in danger does not mean you are not being oppressed.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well I guess the old black lady getting in the hummer vs the white guy walking to the bus stop would have been the better target. They also probably wouldn't have called her racial slurs. Here is a kicker for you, ever heard of sexual prejudice being reversed?
    You left out the part with racial slurs originally. However that is a very isolated indecent that doesnt happen nearly as often as violence against the LGBT community.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Let me just say this, I am not using semantics, the rest of you that believe there is some kind of hardcore gay oppression are. You want to see gay oppression? Look at Uganda. Look at Kenya. Look at nearly ANY African country. THAT is oppression. In those countries, even if the person doesn't make a big deal about their sexuality, they are found out stoned to death, etc. This isn't something that is punished by the governments in Africa often either, it simply happens. Not being able to get the same tax benefits and adopt a Chinese kid ISN'T oppression, it's just not fair.

    A isolated even here and there which is incredibly bad and sad, where a person is hurt because of their sexual orientation, doesn't mean that everyone in the tri-state area of where that happened is getting oppressed. It simply means there are a bunch of ignorant people in one general area that targeted one guy, and they are punished according to law. I want to know where this seriously happens all the time. I have live in Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and hey every other guy I know might get called a slur from time to time but I'm pretty sure they are big enough that they don't give a **** because they are normally doing pretty good otherwise.
    Why are you using words like hard core. You're trying to make a distinction no one else is making. There are levels of opprerssion, and it doesn't have to reach grandiose proportions before we can recognize it for what it is. Everyone doesn't have to be involved for the problem to be real. The fact is that enough people are involved that they count, and things like marriage are imbedded in the system, with large numbers voting against it. This is an oppressive act. You cannot honestly minimalize this to the point of everyday smack talk. I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Let me just say this, I am not using semantics, the rest of you that believe there is some kind of hardcore gay oppression are. You want to see gay oppression? Look at Uganda. Look at Kenya. Look at nearly ANY African country. THAT is oppression. In those countries, even if the person doesn't make a big deal about their sexuality, they are found out stoned to death, etc. This isn't something that is punished by the governments in Africa often either, it simply happens. Not being able to get the same tax benefits and adopt a Chinese kid ISN'T oppression, it's just not fair.

    A isolated even here and there which is incredibly bad and sad, where a person is hurt because of their sexual orientation, doesn't mean that everyone in the tri-state area of where that happened is getting oppressed. It simply means there are a bunch of ignorant people in one general area that targeted one guy, and they are punished according to law. I want to know where this seriously happens all the time. I have live in Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and hey every other guy I know might get called a slur from time to time but I'm pretty sure they are big enough that they don't give a **** because they are normally doing pretty good otherwise.
    Gays do not experience the same degree of institutionalized oppression as they do in many African countries. That, however, does not mean they are not oppressed. Many groups have used the government to enforce polices against gays and lesbians. Those policies include same sex marriage bans and adoption restrictions. The government has also, in many cases, not extended protections established for other minority groups such as employment and housing discrimination protections.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    You left out the part with racial slurs originally. However that is a very isolated indecent that doesnt happen nearly as often as violence against the LGBT community.
    I'm sorry if my sarcasm didn't show in my post. I was being sarcastic with the post. I don't see it as being oppressed.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why are you using words like hard core. You're trying to make a distinction no one else is making. There are levels of opprerssion, and it doesn't have to reach grandiose proportions before we can recognize it for what it is. Everyone doesn't have to be involved for the problem to be real. The fact is that enough people are involved that they count, and things like marriage are imbedded in the system, with large numbers voting against it. This is an oppressive act. You cannot honestly minimalize this to the point of everyday smack talk. I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold up.
    When it comes to government matters, I don't think the government should get involved in any kind of marriage. However, oppression I believe is a strong term to use in this instance. Now if you wanted to say these two gay persons are not able to have a life together, I would feel that is oppressive. The government giveth, and taketh away.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    When it comes to government matters, I don't think the government should get involved in any kind of marriage. However, oppression I believe is a strong term to use in this instance. Now if you wanted to say these two gay persons are not able to have a life together, I would feel that is oppressive. The government giveth, and taketh away.
    One moment you argue that oppression is absolute and the next you argue that oppression is relative.

    You are playing a semantic game. Nothing more and nothing less.

    I don't believe for a second that you take the "get the government out of marriage" position. I think you oppose same sex marriage and same sex adoption but you don't like thinking of yourself as "oppressive" because of those views so you take issue with the term.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Gays do not experience the same degree of institutionalized oppression as they do in many African countries. That, however, does not mean they are not oppressed. Many groups have used the government to enforce polices against gays and lesbians. Those policies include same sex marriage bans and adoption restrictions. The government has also, in many cases, not extended protections established for other minority groups such as employment and housing discrimination protections.
    This sucks, however when has anything to do with employment or housing ever asked about if you were gay or not? I do not seriously see marriage bans and adoption restrictions as being oppressive in the purest definition. These are issues that need resolved though.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    One moment you argue that oppression is absolute and the next you argue that oppression is relative.

    You are playing a semantic game. Nothing more and nothing less.

    I don't believe for a second that you take the "get the government out of marriage" position. I think you oppose same sex marriage and same sex adoption but you don't like thinking of yourself as "oppressive" because of those views so you take issue with the term.
    Lol ok. You got me! Just because I don't cave to your opinion, I want to oppress gay people. Man I should have known not to get in a debate with people on the internet. They know what my position clearly is. It's all black and white. Of course, having an oppressive opinion mine will be white, yours black or something...
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    I went looking up different definitions of oppressed to see if I could find one that didnt fit with the treatment of homosexuals in this country. I didnt find one.

    Oppression | Define Oppression at Dictionary.com

    Oppression - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    oppression - the definition you can understand

    Heres a good one.

    The Social Work Dictionary, ed. Robert L. Barker defines oppression as: "The social act of
    placing severe restrictions on an individual, group or institution.

    If anyone finds a definition that doesnt fit then please post it.

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