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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Seems to me like you were a victim of robbery or a mugging. Had they not taken your cash you may have a point.
    Well I guess the old black lady getting in the hummer vs the white guy walking to the bus stop would have been the better target. They also probably wouldn't have called her racial slurs. Here is a kicker for you, ever heard of sexual prejudice being reversed?
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I could get into a big spiel about being a straight white man and being oppressed. Like I said, to me not being able to marry, adoption laws is far from straight oppression. These are things that need to be changed for sure, but it isn't destroying their life, and bringing them down so far that they can't get anywhere in life.
    That's a rather large judgement. SOmeone wantiong to marry and not being allwoed to isn't a life atlering? Wanting children and not being allowed the same rights as others is not life atlering? Of course, it really doesn't stop there. People have been beaten to death, kick out of establishments, denied employment, and in genreal harrassed. Would you assume this has no effect?

    This has been a tactic in recent years in trying to minimalize abuse because it has gotten better. It's fair to say things are better. It's honest to say that. But let's not go as far as you do because the truth doesn't support it.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I could get into a big spiel about being a straight white man and being oppressed. Like I said, to me not being able to marry, adoption laws is far from straight oppression. These are things that need to be changed for sure, but it isn't destroying their life, and bringing them down so far that they can't get anywhere in life.
    So you are oppressed too. I have no problem with you saying that. Particularly using the OP's definition of oppression. I would say using the OP's definition, most everyone here has been oppressed at least once in their lifetime. At least from the second definition of oppression. And the first definition definitely fits many groups too that I personally would not go so far as to say they are oppressed.

    But that is part of the point I am trying to make clear in this thread, which was started as some attempt to show that homosexuals weren't being oppressed and backfired because of the definitions used in the OP. Most people, in my belief, especially before this thread, would not have said "I think gays in the US are oppressed". Discriminated against and treated as second class citizens certainly, but not generally believed to be oppressed. But the OP's definitions are what shows that they could be easily viewed as being "oppressed", as can many other groups.

    Having said that, homosexual and bisexual people face much more discrimination for that characteristic than heterosexual people do. It is much worse that some of that discrimination is legally set into law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a rather large judgement. SOmeone wantiong to marry and not being allwoed to isn't a life atlering? Wanting children and not being allowed the same rights as others is not life atlering? Of course, it really doesn't stop there. People have been beaten to death, kick out of establishments, denied employment, and in genreal harrassed. Would you assume this has no effect?

    This has been a tactic in recent years in trying to minimalize abuse because it has gotten better. It's fair to say things are better. It's honest to say that. But let's not go as far as you do because the truth doesn't support it.
    Lol but see here is the thing, for ever single instance that someone can give me a quote about a bunch of assholes treating one kind of person badly, I can give plenty more where no such thing has happened. I can understand what you all are saying sometimes, you get the **** end of the stick, but lets not all just think that it is one particular group getting the **** end of the stick all the time, because this happens to every race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, etc. That doesn't mean say, black people are oppressed, or muslims are oppressed, or white people, etc. If it happens that is horrible. Bullying in schools for example is a horrible thing, but it doesn't happen to every single child. It is something that needs to be dealt with but that doesn't mean that one or two bad seeds are oppressing the rest does it?
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Lol but see here is the thing, for ever single instance that someone can give me a quote about a bunch of assholes treating one kind of person badly, I can give plenty more where no such thing has happened. I can understand what you all are saying sometimes, you get the **** end of the stick, but lets not all just think that it is one particular group getting the **** end of the stick all the time, because this happens to every race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, etc. That doesn't mean say, black people are oppressed, or muslims are oppressed, or white people, etc. If it happens that is horrible. Bullying in schools for example is a horrible thing, but it doesn't happen to every single child. It is something that needs to be dealt with but that doesn't mean that one or two bad seeds are oppressing the rest does it?
    So, because you can find any idiot on the internet, this gives you credence to ignore more valid studies and statistics. Well, that has been the pattern these days, sadly. However, ther eis a different for me the individual getting the short end juct because of a particular situation. it is another to single out a grooup of people who constantly get the short end, who can't marry, who are denied things you and I are not. I'm sorry, but your miminalizing that simply doesn't hold up to any kind of honest assessment.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Lol but see here is the thing, for ever single instance that someone can give me a quote about a bunch of assholes treating one kind of person badly, I can give plenty more where no such thing has happened. I can understand what you all are saying sometimes, you get the **** end of the stick, but lets not all just think that it is one particular group getting the **** end of the stick all the time, because this happens to every race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, etc. That doesn't mean say, black people are oppressed, or muslims are oppressed, or white people, etc. If it happens that is horrible. Bullying in schools for example is a horrible thing, but it doesn't happen to every single child. It is something that needs to be dealt with but that doesn't mean that one or two bad seeds are oppressing the rest does it?
    This semantic game you folks are playing with the concept of oppression is rather sad. Why do we even have the concept if you are going to treat it so arbitrarily? You could use your rationalizations for even the most historically oppressed groups.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This semantic game you folks are playing with the concept of oppression is rather sad. Why do we even have the concept if you are going to treat it so arbitrarily? You could use your rationalizations for even the most historically oppressed groups.
    Because words only mean what we want them mean. This is the new world.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not being defensive; I'm asking you to defend your claims, which you evidently cannot.

    No need to preach to the choir either. Just back up your claims.
    What, that some people in the US fear for their lives to come out as gay? That others in the US are more than willing to beat someone, even to death, for just being gay? The fact that some people get killed and beaten for simply being gay should be enough proof that at least some gay people will fear coming out or talking about it and others will beat them for it.

    I made no assertion that there were specific towns or states where coming out or talking about gay activities would automatically lead to a beating. But there certainly are places where doing so would. There is very little way to prove where such places are without being there and knowing the people personally. But such places are in the US.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Let me just say this, I am not using semantics, the rest of you that believe there is some kind of hardcore gay oppression are. You want to see gay oppression? Look at Uganda. Look at Kenya. Look at nearly ANY African country. THAT is oppression. In those countries, even if the person doesn't make a big deal about their sexuality, they are found out stoned to death, etc. This isn't something that is punished by the governments in Africa often either, it simply happens. Not being able to get the same tax benefits and adopt a Chinese kid ISN'T oppression, it's just not fair.

    A isolated even here and there which is incredibly bad and sad, where a person is hurt because of their sexual orientation, doesn't mean that everyone in the tri-state area of where that happened is getting oppressed. It simply means there are a bunch of ignorant people in one general area that targeted one guy, and they are punished according to law. I want to know where this seriously happens all the time. I have live in Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and hey every other guy I know might get called a slur from time to time but I'm pretty sure they are big enough that they don't give a **** because they are normally doing pretty good otherwise.
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