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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I'm with nota on this. I want to know where these places are. Now, there is a difference between straight people talking amongst themselves how much it pisses them off and someone actually doing anything about it. I have a gay brother, a gay neighbor, my wifes uncle is gay, I've had about 5 gay friends in my life and while some of them can talk about being made fun of at some point, none of them can say they have ever been kept from doing certain things or held back due to being gay. You would be surprised most gay people, like straight people don't go around making a deal about it and that isn't what defines them. Like most normal people what defines them is their actions as a human being, and what they accomplish in life.
    Being in the Navy, I have seen some people held back for being gay. That whole DADT thing that only just got repealed (officially) less than a year ago.

    This is the issue. Some of you are acting like it is a horrible thing to point out that there is some oppression in the US against gays. It's not. The laws that make the oppression due to the government (adoption laws, marriage laws, etc.) need to be changed. But every group faces some oppression by someone, everywhere. Very few groups in the US have to fight so hard nowdays to end legal oppression that can seriously and demonstrably affect their lives. LGBT people are one of those groups.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So maybe you can answer where Redress failed...


    And this is different because ... ????
    He did NOT fail. I see this tactic of yours used a lot. Merely go back and read his response.

    But allow me to say this: Who I marry is not up for referendum and never ever should be. The majority should never decide what marriage is defined as for me. The majority should not be allowed to tell a church they cannot marry people of the same sex. But then again, we all know heterosexual marriage will end in being allowed to marry your dog and the plants. We probably should have never gone down that slippery slope.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I'm going by the definitions of oppression in the OP. By those definitions, homosexuals are being oppressed.

    And here is an example of someone having the crap beat out of them for just being gay, not even talking about having sex with a same sex partner.

    Bully's Brutal Assault of Gay Ohio High School Student Caught on Camera: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

    And people never get attacked for being gay here in the US, right?

    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you really think that if there is an atmosphere at the work that even suggests that talking about being gay would get someone fired, let alone beat and killed, that a gay person would do such a thing? There are definitely people who have been fired for being gay. I don't doubt that there are places where some gay people work where they most certainly fear that they might be in danger if they started revealing intimate details of their sex life. Some may feel that way for just revealing that they are gay.
    So beyond this incident of high-school bullying, which has nothing to do with the adult workplace, please alert me to these pervasive instances of discrimination and abuse.

    And so Ohio is a hotbed of discrimination against homosexuals? It's one of those "areas" where gays have to be fearful?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Ok so just a quick thought, after reading your article I feel like I am oppressed now. I went on Vine St. down Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, OH one time, was in the area went to Kroger, came out a bunch of black guys started heckling me, proceeded to jump me, then beat the **** out of me and took the $20 in my wallet. So yeah I am oppressed now. Thanks for clearing up the definition of oppression, since that isn't what is happening to me every day of my life like this article...
    I don't understand what you are saying here.

    Did they carve "Angry Magenta Guy" into your chest? (I'm assuming you are of the magenta color as the example you used said you were attacked by black guys). Have you been denied a promotion because you are an angry magenta guy? Have been thrown out of a restaurant because you kissed your angry magenta girl on the lips? Have you been pushed down on the ground after exiting your angry magenta guy bar?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So beyond this incident of high-school bullying, which has nothing to do with the adult workplace, please alert me to these pervasive instances of discrimination and abuse.

    And so Ohio is a hotbed of discrimination against homosexuals? It's one of those "areas" where gays have to be fearful?
    There are "areas" all over the country. It isn't just one state or one county, here or there.

    Really, why do you feel this need to be so defensive about how it really is for gays in the US? Very few here feel that gays have it extremely bad or would compare it to places like Iran or Uganda or Afghanistan. But, that doesn't change the fact that they do face serious discrimination and can fear for their lives here in the US in some places for just being gay. And they certainly do fit the definitions of oppressed in the OP.

    We are Americans. We shouldn't be accepting any discrimination against any group, particularly legally sanctioned discrimination, just because they are believed to be "not normal" or "sinners" or "disgusting". Their sexuality and who they choose as their mate (consensually) causes no harm to anyone and so should not be legally prohibited.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So beyond this incident of high-school bullying, which has nothing to do with the adult workplace, please alert me to these pervasive instances of discrimination and abuse.

    And so Ohio is a hotbed of discrimination against homosexuals? It's one of those "areas" where gays have to be fearful?

    Hate crimes against gay, transgender people rise, report says
    The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs report says violent crimes against people in the LGBT community rose 13% in 2010, and that minorities and transgender women were more likely to be targeted.
    July 13, 2011|By Lee Romney, Los Angeles Times
    An 18-year-old gay man from Texas allegedly slain by a high-school classmate who believed his friend was making advances toward him; a 31-year-old transgender woman from Pennsylvania found dead with a pillowcase around her head; and a 24-year-old lesbian from Florida purportedly killed by her girlfriend’s father, who disapproved of the relationship.

    The homicides are a sampling of 2010 hate crimes against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people compiled by a national coalition of anti-hate organizations.

    The report, released Tuesday, showed a 13% increase over 2009 in violent crimes committed against people because of their perceived or actual sexual orientation, gender identity or status as HIV positive, according to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Projects.
    LGBT hate crimes: Violent crimes against gay, transgender people rise 13% - Los Angeles Times
    Violence Against Gays and Lesbians

    Overview
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    Statistics say hate crimes are up.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Being in the Navy, I have seen some people held back for being gay. That whole DADT thing that only just got repealed (officially) less than a year ago.

    This is the issue. Some of you are acting like it is a horrible thing to point out that there is some oppression in the US against gays. It's not. The laws that make the oppression due to the government (adoption laws, marriage laws, etc.) need to be changed. But every group faces some oppression by someone, everywhere. Very few groups in the US have to fight so hard nowdays to end legal oppression that can seriously and demonstrably affect their lives. LGBT people are one of those groups.
    I could get into a big spiel about being a straight white man and being oppressed. Like I said, to me not being able to marry, adoption laws is far from straight oppression. These are things that need to be changed for sure, but it isn't destroying their life, and bringing them down so far that they can't get anywhere in life.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are "areas" all over the country. It isn't just one state or one county, here or there.

    Really, why do you feel this need to be so defensive about how it really is for gays in the US? Very few here feel that gays have it extremely bad or would compare it to places like Iran or Uganda or Afghanistan. But, that doesn't change the fact that they do face serious discrimination and can fear for their lives here in the US in some places for just being gay. And they certainly do fit the definitions of oppressed in the OP.

    We are Americans. We shouldn't be accepting any discrimination against any group, particularly legally sanctioned discrimination, just because they are believed to be "not normal" or "sinners" or "disgusting". Their sexuality and who they choose as their mate (consensually) causes no harm to anyone and so should not be legally prohibited.
    I'm not being defensive; I'm asking you to defend your claims, which you evidently cannot.

    No need to preach to the choir either. Just back up your claims.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Ok so just a quick thought, after reading your article I feel like I am oppressed now. I went on Vine St. down Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, OH one time, was in the area went to Kroger, came out a bunch of black guys started heckling me, proceeded to jump me, then beat the **** out of me and took the $20 in my wallet. So yeah I am oppressed now. Thanks for clearing up the definition of oppression, since that isn't what is happening to me every day of my life like this article...
    Seems to me like you were a victim of robbery or a mugging. Had they not taken your cash you may have a point.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I don't understand what you are saying here.

    Did they carve "Angry Magenta Guy" into your chest? (I'm assuming you are of the magenta color as the example you used said you were attacked by black guys). Have you been denied a promotion because you are an angry magenta guy? Have been thrown out of a restaurant because you kissed your angry magenta girl on the lips? Have you been pushed down on the ground after exiting your angry magenta guy bar?
    I dunno, have you been told you wouldn't do something because you are poor? Have you not been able to go somewhere because you are poor? These things had happened to me when I wasn't as well off and I still accomplished them. I'm not saying certain rights shouldn't be given to gay people as they should have the same rights we do, black people have the same rights we do of course, and they still face adversity, however I pause to actually call it full on oppression.
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