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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    In America certainly not. They may be denied certain freedoms to a degree, but no I do not believe so. In other parts of the world however, specifically parts of Africa they are indeed oppressed.

    When a gay couple at work can talk about gay sex and laugh about it, where people can hear (I'm like 5 tables down) in a Kentucky work place and no one gets up and yells at them or beats them or anything, then yeah I would say they got it about as good as anyone else.
    Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Are you trying to compare how it is with people who happen to be gay in the United States in 2012 with how gays were treated by the Nazis?

    And have you been denied a job or an apartment because you're gay? Really? How would you know? Could you "just tell," or did the potential employer or landlord make derogatory looks? If so, I hope you snitched to the EEOC. Did you?
    Absolutely not trying to compare. How do I know? Well, my partner and I went to rent an apartment in Chicago and decided to take it. I wrote a check for first and last and the deposit to the landlord. He would not take it and said he was showing the apartment to someone else first. He rented to them. A couple of days later we went through the same thing at a different building. Two days later a single friend of mine went to the same unit and rented that very same apartment for $10 less a month. The landlord told him no one had made an offer on the unit yet and since he was giving him cash could have it for the ten dollars off. Yes there is discrimination and it still occurs today.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
    Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

    I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

    In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not quite. There are definitely places in the US where a gay person could not do what you just described at work without the very reaction you described happening. And they certainly do not have it as good as almost any heterosexual who ever thought of getting married, since they are still fighting for full and complete recognition of marriage for them to the person they actually would like to be married to. Some have been hoping and praying to have that right for generations, and younger gay men and women still have to just wait and hope that equality comes before they too die without seeing it.
    I'm with nota on this. I want to know where these places are. Now, there is a difference between straight people talking amongst themselves how much it pisses them off and someone actually doing anything about it. I have a gay brother, a gay neighbor, my wifes uncle is gay, I've had about 5 gay friends in my life and while some of them can talk about being made fun of at some point, none of them can say they have ever been kept from doing certain things or held back due to being gay. You would be surprised most gay people, like straight people don't go around making a deal about it and that isn't what defines them. Like most normal people what defines them is their actions as a human being, and what they accomplish in life.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

    I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

    In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, etc.
    Links please. Examples of how this is a pervasive situation.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

    I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

    In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
    Really? You couldn't just look...
    http://www.avp.org/documents/NCAVPHa...finaledits.pdf (79 pages of explanation)
    Hate Crimes Against LGBTQ Americans Increased In 2010, Report Shows


    As for those suggesting people go to the EEOC, there is only Federal employment protection based on sexual orientation. Some states / municipalities have laws regarding employment and renting property, but most do not. --you know, I think I am starting to hear myself repeating myself again.

    Edit: I disagree with the "Hate Crime" terminology and "Hate Crime" legislation because if you kill someone why does it matter why... just so you know I am not preaching about "Hate Crimes". I used the above report because you wanted examples.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I'm with nota on this. I want to know where these places are. Now, there is a difference between straight people talking amongst themselves how much it pisses them off and someone actually doing anything about it. I have a gay brother, a gay neighbor, my wifes uncle is gay, I've had about 5 gay friends in my life and while some of them can talk about being made fun of at some point, none of them can say they have ever been kept from doing certain things or held back due to being gay. You would be surprised most gay people, like straight people don't go around making a deal about it and that isn't what defines them. Like most normal people what defines them is their actions as a human being, and what they accomplish in life.
    Exactly. Their being gay isn't their raison d'etre.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Exactly where are the places in the U.S. where a gay person can't laugh at lunch about gay sex? Where?

    I want to know where all these abuses are allegedly occurring and also what has been done about them.

    In the meantime, if your entire definition of "oppression" is that the ongoing debate about SSM has not been resolved to your satisfaction, that's another issue.
    No, I'm going by the definitions of oppression in the OP. By those definitions, homosexuals are being oppressed.

    And here is an example of someone having the crap beat out of them for just being gay, not even talking about having sex with a same sex partner.

    Bully's Brutal Assault of Gay Ohio High School Student Caught on Camera: VIDEO |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

    And people never get attacked for being gay here in the US, right?

    History of violence against LGBT people in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do you really think that if there is an atmosphere at the work that even suggests that talking about being gay would get someone fired, let alone beat and killed, that a gay person would do such a thing? There are definitely people who have been fired for being gay. I don't doubt that there are places where some gay people work where they most certainly fear that they might be in danger if they started revealing intimate details of their sex life. Some may feel that way for just revealing that they are gay.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Really? You couldn't just look...
    http://www.avp.org/documents/NCAVPHa...finaledits.pdf (79 pages of explanation)
    Hate Crimes Against LGBTQ Americans Increased In 2010, Report Shows


    As for those suggesting people go to the EEOC, there is only Federal employment protection based on sexual orientation. Some states / municipalities have laws regarding employment and renting property, but most do not. --you know, I think I am starting to hear myself repeating myself again.

    Edit: I disagree with the "Hate Crime" terminology and "Hate Crime" legislation because if you kill someone why does it matter why... just so you know I am not preaching about "Hate Crimes". I used the above report because you wanted examples.
    Ok so just a quick thought, after reading your article I feel like I am oppressed now. I went on Vine St. down Over the Rhine in Cincinnati, OH one time, was in the area went to Kroger, came out a bunch of black guys started heckling me, proceeded to jump me, then beat the **** out of me and took the $20 in my wallet. So yeah I am oppressed now. Thanks for clearing up the definition of oppression, since that isn't what is happening to me every day of my life like this article...
    "Weíre going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thatís crazy." -Reagan

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