View Poll Results: Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If any homosexual, or anyone who supports "gay-rights" can come to this thread in support of homosexuals and NOT be executed within 24hrs, then homosexuals are not oppressed in this country.
    Certainly not a realistic view or reality.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Homosexuals are not placed in subservience or hardship by an unjust exercise of authority.
    Do you know this about all homosexuals? What about those who have lost their jobs because they are homosexual? Is that not a hardship, to lose your job? What about the fact that they cannot get equal marital rights, despite wanting them, and therefore facing legal and financial issues because of not having those marital rights (such as automatic hospital visitation, spousal inheritance, adopting rights, etc.)? Those all sound like hardships to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Definition #2 would mean that pretty much anyone is oppressed, because they fee distressed/anxious/unconfortable about something that slights them.
    Homosexuals all around this country are made to feel distressed and uncomfortable simply because of their sexuality everyday, particularly by Christians and other highly religious people. That sounds like oppression to me. And if other groups fit into that definition, so be it, they fit. Doesn't change the fact that homosexuals do fit said definition in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You should probably look up the definition of "Godwin's Law." We're actually talking about oppression; Nazi Germany is a great example of actual oppression, as well as American slavery.
    But you posted your definitions of oppression in the OP, which fits homosexuals in the US. You can't then claim that oppression is only that found in Nazi Germany or American slavery.

    A question for you, were blacks oppressed in the fifties, by segregation? What about interracial couples who could not legally get married? Was that not oppression?
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Yes, I'd say homosexuals are oppressed in this country for not being allowed to have the same rights as heterosexual couples and consistently being marginalized and ridiculed in the greater society. To those who say that homosexuals are not oppressed, I will quote TacticalEvilDan:


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Pretty much anybody can point to somebody else in the world who has it worse than them. Pretty much everybody can point to North Korea. North Korea can point to Somalia. Somalia can point to ... Antarctica?

    My point is that telling someone they're not oppressed because someone else has it worse is a bullsh!t argument, because it's perfectly reasonable to complain about your plight or that of someone else when comparing it to the plight of others in the same or a similar society. Done in that way, you're not saying, "I have it worse than anybody else on the face of the Earth" (which is literally true of only one person), you're saying, "Hey, by the standards this society claims to live by, or by the standards of my own awesome society, or by the standards of this awesome society over there, this situation totally blows and needs to change."

    Taking the "someone has it worse than you, so STFU" approach is nothing more than an argument in favor of injustice.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Oh come on.

    So merely opining that it's a sin is oppressive? OMFG. I suppose prostitutes are oppressed as well because some believe it's a sin.

    Give me a break.
    I agree. Prostitutes are being oppressed as well. Glad we got that worked out. Hell, prostitutes go to jail for being who they are. And it was only 10 years ago that gays could be sent to jail as well for just being who they are.

    (And yes, I am being serious.)
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    My guess is that many TGs are highly motivated to become educated because they know the grim alternative. Counseling, hormones and surgery are expensive and flipping burgers isn't going to make that happen. Unfortunately, not everyone is college material.

    Some young people turn to prostitution to finance their transition.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joni View Post
    I've seen that stat for California, although it is a little different: "1 in 5 respondents have been homeless since they first identified as transgender."

    http://www.transgenderlawcenter.org/...ansCAFINAL.pdf

    This is different than saying 1 in 5 are homeless at any given time.

    As a transitioning male, I can tell you there are a lot of financial challenges. Many of us lose their familial support. College can be a refuge but not all TGs are college material.

    It's a rich trans/poor trans dichotomy. The same report says that TGs are twice as likely to be below the poverty line but twice as likely to have college degrees.

    It is a diverse group which does face discrimination. Note that this study is in California which has some of the most protective laws for TGs in the country.
    Yeah the study Katiegrrl0 posted earlier states about 1 in 5 have been homeless since transition and the survey was from all 50 states.

    HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND HOMELESSNESS
    Respondents reported various forms of direct housing
    discrimination 19% reported having been refused
    a home or apartment and 11% reported being evicted
    because of their gender identity/expression.
    One-fifth (19%) reported experiencing homelessness
    at some point in their lives because they were transgender
    or gender non-conforming;

    http://www.thetaskforce.org/download.../ntds_full.pdf

    Yeah the financial problems are pretty bad with the cost of hormones/surgery/random accessories. That stuff isnt cheap and to be honest I dont know how some trans people can afford to go to collage at all without some sort of financial help. Im trans as well btw although havent been able to start transition yet due to certain personal issues.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Referendums are majority rule. Congress is majority (or better) rule, politics is majority rule, jury system is majority (or unanimous) rule. Our system is built on public opinion of the majority.

    This is different because.... ?
    So then we can have referendums that prevent interracial or interfaith marriages and have those made into laws that will pass Constitutional muster then?

    I don't think so.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I guess when you're able to audition at American Idol you know you're oppressed.
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    Thanks for playing REALLY BAD ANALOGY.

    One of the biggest criticisms of AO is that they will not allow anyone to admit being gay on their show. But hey, they aren't oppressing anyone?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Discrimination in the workplace is something like not getting hired or promoted because your LGBT.
    Yeah I know. This happens to people of all groups because the integral factor is who is in charge, not who is employed.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    We could cull 80% of these posts by rewording the poll.

    Are homosexuals discriminated in America with respect to (insert as precise a definition as possible of the areas of discrimination)?

    I really have no interest in debating the meaning of the word "oppression."

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