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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Speaking as a transgendered ftm, I say yes but not as much as in other countries. In America, at least I have a chance to live my life and not be stoned to death. So I guess I should be grateful that my biggest problem is not getting beat up and finding a job.

    I also think that my generation is much more accepting of the diversity of our species than previous generations. I have a loving community and, at least with more educated and intelligent people, there is a growing understanding that either (i) there is no God who would damn me or (ii) if there is a God, he isn't that preoccupied with my sexual orientation or identity.

    Is not being able to get married, "oppression?" If so, it certainly a much milder form of oppression than was shown to African Americans or any nation conquered more than a few hundred years ago. The word is a bit too strong.

    I would just say that we have made a lot of progress but have a ways to go.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I tend to place a higher standard on oppression, like the Jewish oppression at the hand of the Nazis, or my great-grandparents under slavery.

    If homosexuals can be multi-millionaires, own their own businesses, say what they want, where they want, when they want, among other things, then I don't see that as oppression.
    You didn't qualify the oppression. If they don't have the same rights they are oppressed. Your thinking that it's not really that bad, doesn't change the facts.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Do you live there? Is that the nation we are discussing? OH how were gays treated in Nazi Germany by the way?
    I live in the South Pacific.

    I am fairly sure that gays had it pretty good in Nazi Germany during the war and that they flourished after the war...
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Now, as for the absurd and frankly fascist practice of engaging in the masturbatory exercise of "Oppression Olympics", in which people raise all manner of silly claims where it is implied or stated that only the worst example or at least the Really Really Harsh examples of oppression count as REAL oppression:

    *****hit.

    If someone goes out and murders ten thousand Jews (just because they're Jewish), and someone else goes out and murders ten thousand AND ONE left-handers (for being left-handers), both cases are still oppression. The dead Jews wouldn't magically be any less dead or any less oppressed just because of the existence of one or more examples of a group that had or has it worse off.

    Oppression is not a god damn scarce resource; there is (sadly) plenty of it to go around and it's not like recognizing one oppression takes away -- at all -- from the recognition of another.

    Indigenous people generally face more oppression than settler populations...does that mean no one among settler populations is oppressed? Of course not.

    This implied scarcity mindset, in which somehow there is posited a limited supply of accurate recognition and/or intellectual dishonesty, really needs to be retired.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Just don't misuse words to elicit emotional appeal.
    Right....so when you start a thread totally based on a subjective phrase (ie: "oppression"), you are not going for the "emotional appeal"....?!?

    Got it.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    What Wake is likely missing (I say likely because I can't see his posts directly) is that being privileged on one axis may ameliorate oppression on another, but it doesn't NEGATE the oppression. The scientific principle of isolating the variable under study applies here.

    Someone may be gay (and thus oppressed on the axis of orientation) and rich (and thus privileged on the axis of class), and therefore use some of their privilege to counteract some degree of the mistreatment they face as a gay person...but the fact remains that they are still worse off that someone who was/is hetero and rich. The fact that a gay rich person may successfully counteract some of their oppression with some of their privilege...doesn't mean they still don't face such oppression.

    Also, some forms of oppression simply don't lend themselves to such counteraction from privilege at all. If someone lives in a state where a gay couple's marriage is not legally recognized, then no amount of money can directly counteract that law. If one lives in a social context where there is a real risk of targeted assault against gays and lesbians, no amount of money can bring a murder victim back to life. Privilege MAY help against some things, but it is not a cure-all, and in any case it is still worse than the situation would be WITHOUT having to face oppression.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I live in the South Pacific.

    I am fairly sure that gays had it pretty good in Nazi Germany during the war and that they flourished after the war...
    Did you read the link. They were one of the classes persecuted. I guess your fairly sure meter needs adjusting.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Are homosexuals forced into slavery, not allowed to speak, could be killed at a whim, killed in gas chambers, not allowed to own property, or enter/leave the country?

    Why is marriage such an aspect of oppression? Why is it that if you can't redefine marriage, you're suddenly oppressed? And even then, there are states in America that allow gay marriage.
    You realize gay people were victims in the holocaust right?

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    Dont really understand what that has to do with oppression in America however.

    In this country gay people have been put through some pretty terrible things in history. Its much better today but LGBT people still dont have the same rights or respect as most other groups so yes I would say yes we are oppressed to some extent.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Right. Marriage has been wrong for thousands of years. Let's correct the church as well, since it's been wrong for thousands of years as well.
    Marriage has been different for thousands of years. It used to be between one man and many women however that has now changed. It used to be more of a business contract but that has changed. It used to be between kids younger then 18 but now that has changed as well. This idea that marriage has never changed is completely wrong.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Did you read the link. They were one of the classes persecuted. I guess your fairly sure meter needs adjusting.
    No I didn't read the link since that information is irrelevant...
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