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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Absolutely not. I don't how many times this has to be repeated: The rights of a minority should never be voted upon by the majority.

    Also, gays still suffer oppression according to the definitions in your OP.
    I love it when society deems and decides except when society shouldn't...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I love it when society deems and decides except when society shouldn't...
    I wish this made sense.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) The rights of the minority should not be subject to the whims of the majority.
    Why not... it worked for the Jews living in Germany in the 30's and 40's.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Why not... it worked for the Jews living in Germany in the 30's and 40's.
    Sweet Godwin right there... I guess Congress works like Germany and the Jews too since the majority vote wins huh?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    [QUOTE=Wake;1060284621Let the people decide on the gay marriage issue. [/QUOTE]

    Bad idea... letting a majority of emotionally and sexually insecure people vote on an issue like this is a terrible idea.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sweet Godwin right there... I guess Congress works like Germany and the Jews too since the majority vote wins huh?
    I am not even sure what you are trying to say here...
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not even sure what you are trying to say here...
    You know what a Godwin is ... so I'll skip that.

    The U.S. Congress passes laws which affect millions of people by majority rule. According to your prior statement, that's the same way Germany worked things with the Jews. Do you agree?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know what a Godwin is ... so I'll skip that.

    The U.S. Congress passes laws which affect millions of people by majority rule. According to your prior statement, that's the same way Germany worked things with the Jews. Do you agree?
    Yeah I know Godwin and the other part was a joke based on how badly it turned out for the Jews... sorry, I thought it was obvious. (no offense intended).
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Socially homosexuals may be oppressed. People may be disgusted or not approve of homosexual affection or whatnot, but any group of people can receive this kind of treatment.
    And IF a given group of people was indeed being mistreated by another group on the basis of the targeted group's perceived membership in that group, and such mistreatment was socially condoned, then YES that would be oppression as well. The fact that oppression can happen to more than one group of people doesn't magically unmake the fact that it is currently already happening to some.

    Honestly...where the bleepity-bleeping-bleep does this nonsense come from?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I've been cursed out, judged, threatened with violence, and lost friends over my Christian beliefs and social stances.
    And homosexuals are cursed out, judged, threatened with violence, and lose friends and relatives over simply BEING gay.

    There are at least two obvious differences, however.

    First, it's genuinely difficult to find substantial social endorsement of cursing anyone out or threatening them with violence based upon their religious beliefs. It still happens, but it is not looked well upon and most people -- along with the dominant direction of law -- works AGAINST such mistreatment.

    Second, one's religious observance and principles are a matter of choice and conduct, while homosexuality is not. Religion IS a lifestyle, while sexual orientation is not. That doesn't make harassment of people based upon religion OK, but it does mean that people who are being mistreated on the basis of an identity (rather than conduct) have nowhere to run.

    Despite hysterical paranoia to the contrary, Christians are PRIVILEGED, not persecuted, when it comes to religion in the United States. That's why harassment of Christians (for adhering to Christianity or at least claiming such) is not oppression. It's still bad and stupid, but it's not socially condoned and it doesn't have the requisite institutional power behind it to warrant identification as oppression.

    The mistreatment of homosexuals, on the other hand, DOES meet all the following criteria of oppression:
    • mistreatment: check
    • of a group (homosexuals): check
    • by a group (misc. "straights"): check
    • which is socially condoned: check (yes, a growing minority of people vocally oppose such mistreatment, but there are still few if any reliable social consequences for engaging in homophobic oppression)
    • and institutionalized: check (religious institutions, government, and private employers all back discrimination against homosexuals to varying degrees).


    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    People in this world are intolerant of many views and lifestyles,
    Playing video games between bong hits, or jetting out to one's favorite golf courses between high level executive meetings...are lifestyles. Choosing to acknowledge and act upon one's completely natural biological urges is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    and it may be "oppression" to a certain level, but I don't think it's fair to call homosexuals oppressed as a distinct minority group.
    Opinions about the "fairness" of an empirical definition are irrelevant. It is ACCURATE to identify them as oppressed because they are, in fact, oppressed. Their status as homosexuals is the basis of the mistreatment, and thus YES, they are oppressed *as homosexuals*.

    This is the kind of evasive nonsense that drives me batty: treating empirical questions as if they are a matter of opinion.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Why not... it worked for the Jews living in Germany in the 30's and 40's.
    Do you live there? Is that the nation we are discussing? OH how were gays treated in Nazi Germany by the way?

    ...upon the rise of Adolf Hitler, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazi Party and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, were burned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

    Between 1933–45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.[1] It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Ruediger Lautman believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors.

    After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, and some men were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments began to acknowledge this episode, and not until 2002 that the German government apologized to the gay community.[2] This period still provokes controversy, however. In 2005, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the Holocaust which included the persecution of homosexuals.
    Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The persecution even continued after the war.
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