View Poll Results: Are Homosexuals oppressed in America?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The Holocaust is both oppression and genocide. It started with Nazis systematically oppressing Jews, preventing them in law from doing many things other citizens had the right to do. I should have been more specific and parsed the Holocaust out more to make sure my point was understood.
    Yes, but oppression is somethign different, and with degrees. The holocost started with mere oppression, a belief that one was less than another. We're not close to that here concerning homosexuals, but oppression still applies.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...and-light.html

    I already have. That's why I no longer oppose SSM.
    Because it is discriminatory.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I tend to place a higher standard on oppression, like the Jewish oppression at the hand of the Nazis, or my great-grandparents under slavery.

    If homosexuals can be multi-millionaires, own their own businesses, say what they want, where they want, when they want, among other things, then I don't see that as oppression.

    Jews can also be multi-millionaires and own their own businesses. It doesn't mean they aren't oppressed in other spheres. You seem to forget that the nazis weren't exactly nice to homosexuals either.


    There is no hierarchy of oppression. Oppression occurs in overt and covert ways, and the oppression of gays is no more or no less wrong than the oppression of Jews, blacks, women or the left handed.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Alright, let's try a different tack. Put yourself in their shoes, Wake (if you are even capable of having any empathy).

    Imagine a world run by gay people, where straights are a minority, say 5-8% of the population. You are looked down upon because your sexual proclitivities and orientation are in direct contradiction to the morals of the majority. You are viewed as sinful, disgusting, and evil because of who you are. You are not capable of marrying the person you love because the majority has deemed that providing such a legal privilege to you would be "legitimizing and validating your disgusting nature/behavior and lifestyle," despite the fact that who you choose to love and spend the rest of your life with is none of their damn business. You face employment and housing discrimination, and all the while people on the street give you nasty looks for holding hands with your significant other. You cannot visit your loved one in the hospital when she is sick, because you are not considered to be next of kin. If you die, your life insurance policy will not be passed on to your loved ones or your children, if society even allows to have children.

    Would you deny that you are being oppressed, or no?
    Permit me to give my response, even though you did not ask for it.

    If humans sexually reproduced with male pairs or female pairs, then I would completely agree that it made no sense for government to sanction opposite sex marriage. Were I heterosexual in such a society I wouldn't demand that the mainstream of society change itself for my decidedly minority proclivities.

    I would, however, push for civil unions, or something like it, so that I could have the rights you refer to when it came to my spouse.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    As I said in the last post, such claims can be hard to prove.
    When I stated any non unionized person can be fired for any reason you stated "Not True". It's is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    As I also said in the last post, that doesn't mean that there aren't legal protections in place for people fired by reason of race/gender. By contrast, there are no such legal protections in place for gay people. Again, this puts them in the same position, with respect to the law (which, as you'll recall, is the only issue I'm talking about) as black people were prior to the enactment of the Civil Rights Act.
    That's not accurate. Federal Employees are protected from sexual orientation discrimination. States have enacted state laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination for both public and private sector jobs in: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin. (Source).

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Put another way, there are tons of cases on the books involving (e.g.) a black person or a woman winning all kinds of money due to having been terminated/not hired/not promoted for reasons of race/gender due to provisions of federal law. By contrast there aren't any such cases, and in fact there currently cannot be any such cases, with respect to gay people fired for being gay, because they have no such legal protections under federal law.
    Not under Federal Law but under state laws there are. You make it sound as if it's open season on gays and that's not the case.

    Even at the federal level, many of the sexual orientation cases are masked under harassment, wrongful termination or other such headings since a specific federal law does not exist for sexual orientation. To claim that they do not exist is misleading.
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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Would a moderator check the poll votes please?

    I think someone just skewed them through visitor voting.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Obviously. Do we have it better in America than other places? Hell yes. Do we experience true equality? Hell no.

    This is not opinion, this is fact, based on the definition in the OP.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Wake.

    I think the question is another attempt by you to feel good about your (IMO) ignorant, homophobic beliefs.

    You included the dictionary definition in an attempt to force people to argue a limited understanding of oppression. Words have both denotations and connotations. Learn them both before discussing a big concept like oppression.

    Homosexuals are discriminated against every day. To believe otherwise is ignorant. When people are discriminated against, this can lead to both subtle and overt forms of oppression.

    If a homosexual teenager is afraid to speak out in school or even go to school he/she is being oppressed and treated in a manner contrary to the ideals of our country. People like Rick Santorum want to move our country backwards.

    For people who really want a backwards Theocracy, I'm sure their are other places they can live and be happy.

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    In many (although not all) areas of the country, efforts are being made, both socially and politically, to keep homosexuals and homosexuality out of the public spotlight and to stigmatize the practice. These efforts take many forms and result in very real limitations on the ability of homosexuals to express themselves, plan for the future, feel secure in their employment, and otherwise lead "normal" lives. The most chilling effect is on young people, many of whom feel so stigmatized by their families and their peers that they have to lie for years about what they feel, or worse, take their own lives.

    No, gays are not being rounded up, imprisoned, executed, or experimented on. But I don't think those are the sole hallmarks of oppression.
    What areas of the country? I'd like to see some specific examples of these social and political efforts. Are these isolated incidents or pervasive?

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    Re: Are Homosexuals Oppressed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Oh, and haha, real funny to whoever spammed the poll.
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