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Do you care or think about your fellow american?

Do you care or think about your fellow american?

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I post in swings but I do a lot of reading and what I'm wondering is if its rare for people to think about their fellow americans? It seems to be common place for certain members here not to give two ****s about anybody but themselves! This is not the american way IMO and its insulting and hypocritical.

What I mean is, I have my own personal morals, beliefs and life structure I choose to live by. I however do not expect anybody else to follow them or even care what I do as long as its not impacting them.

For example, Gay equal rights. Now I've gone on record many times admitting I'm not exactly "gay friendly" nor do I really think much of that lifestyle but at the same time, that's not for me to decide for all. It's none of my business. I could never take away their rights and freedoms based on my opinion. I am not a fan but I have no right to force what I believe on them. How does one convince themselves they have the right to tell two other consenting adults who they can or can marry? My marriage is none of your business just like yours is none of mine.

Same with abortion, I'm no fan of abortion (and I laugh at all of those twits that claim people are fans of it) but at the same time its not my body nor my decision to make. I'd like abortions to be as low as possible but I don't want any more legislation than already exists unless technology changes. I personally would never have one (not that I could haha) but I couldn't force a women to 9 months of pregnancy and then give birth against her will. How would that even work with our current rights and freedoms? The logistics of it alone are mind boggling, where in the constitution is that allowed?

Religion, there's religions out there that certainly do not match mine. But I would never make any decisions to impact others religious freedom within its already protected sanctuary. My religion/beliefs are none of your business just like your religion/beliefs are none of mine.

I really have trouble understanding how some people hypocritically convince themselves that its right for them to force their views on others or do things to limit/impact others rights and freedoms based on their own personal opinions.

I'm just saying, I'm not gay friendly, not a fan of abortion and not a fan of others religion but I'd never do anything to impact the rights and freedoms of others on these matters because it's ignorant and hypocritical. It could be MY RIGHTS being impacted if to many people thought this way and it would certainly not be the America I'm proud to live in any more.

Also this isn't about my views above on Equal Gay Rights, Abortion or Religion those are just my examples for me personally. I don't care what your views are in this thread. I'm wondering if you have any issues like these. Are there things you disagree with but understand that in a great country like ours with freedoms and rights, that apply to us all, you simply understand and respect those same rights and freedoms for others.

SO basically do you care, think and respect your fellow americans when it comes to making laws or forcing views or is it all about you and thats it.
 
most people care about themselves,and whos gonna pickup after their mistakes.no policy can ever fix this unless this country went full on socialist.


i believe the solution is people need to care for people when in need,but not force their view on anyone.laws make no difference,you cant end prejudice short of full brainwashing,but then we might as well live in nazi germany.

the other thing to point out is that all the points you made are wedge issues,created by the left and right to distract eachother.i hear people argue everyday about these issues yet no president has any real power to change them,but people get so riled up about them 50% of the country wants to hang the other 50% while politicians keep being corrupt because no one looks away long enough to notice the importan issues being ignored.
 
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I'd like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow-white turtle doves

I'd like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company
(That's the song I hear)
I'd like to see the world for once
(Let the world sing today)
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
For peace throughout the land​
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Seriously, just Share.

--your resident goddamn dirty hippie
 
I consider all the mentioned issues of lesser importance than the economic state of our country.

I care that people in the USA and around the world are having issues related to bad economic conditions.


And I think all the attempts to "fix" the issue are making it worse.



That said, the mentioned issues are latched onto by politicians because they CAN do something about such - as opposed to the economy, which has never been improved by messing with it, IMO.
 
The Mark said:
I consider all the mentioned issues of lesser importance than the economic state of our country.

I care that people in the USA and around the world are having issues related to bad economic conditions.


And I think all the attempts to "fix" the issue are making it worse.



That said, the mentioned issues are latched onto by politicians because they CAN do something about such - as opposed to the economy, which has never been improved by messing with it, IMO.
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Has I mentioned, my example issues have nothing to do with the topic of thread.
 
O_Guru said:
Has I mentioned, my example issues have nothing to do with the topic of thread.
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Then, I care about my fellow american in the sense that I think a general improvement of the overall conditions would help me.

That it helps others is a welcome side-effect.


Perhaps I don't care...hmm.
 
The Mark said:
Then, I care about my fellow american in the sense that I think a general improvement of the overall conditions would help me.

That it helps others is a welcome side-effect.


Perhaps I don't care...hmm.
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seems possible
There are issues that don't directly help me that I still support or at least would oppose.
But then again IMO what is good for my country and what is good for freedom and rights is good for me, whether it directly benefits me or not.
 
Do I care about my fellow Americans? Sure, the same way I care about all people. However, as much as I think everyone ought to be treated equally, I think as much, or more important, everyone ought to be held equally accountable. Everyone needs to be rational and logical and responsible. Those who are not, and who get in trouble for such, really don't deserve the same kind of respect that those who do ought to get. Actions have consequences. People need to deal with the consequences of their actions.

But yes, if you act responsibly and you still get screwed, I'll always have your back.
 
Outstanding OP! Welcome to another issue-minded Independent who does not need to refer to the Party Platform to decide what he thinks!

Yes, I care for my fellow Americans. I want their rights protected and respected, I want to see those who have fallen on hard times given the welfare they need to get bye, I want to see those who use welfare as a lifestyle of fraud to be prosecuted, I want our soldiers to get the best medical and psychological help possible when they return from fighting wars I don't believe they should have been forced to fight.

I care for those who are without jobs, and I care when jobs they would be happy to do are given to those who have no right to even be in this country. I want religious freedom protected for all of our citizens of all faiths, and of no faith, not just freedom to worship the majority religion while other religions are villified. I care about people who, through no fault of their own, have lost their homes and everything they own to the legalized fraud of deregulated banks, brokers and others, while government "bailouts" are distributed as bonuses to management rather than funneled to the victims of their fraud.

I don't know if this is what you had in mind in the OP, but yes, I do care about my fellow Americans, whether I agree with their politics or social views, because I still believe in a country where individual rights are protected, and ideology is not enforced on an unwilling populace by the rule of law.
 
If, by "do you care?" you mean do I consider other Americans when pondering legislation, and have a concern about how it will impact others even if my ox isn't going to be gored, then the answer is yes.
 
Cephus said:
Do I care about my fellow Americans? Sure, the same way I care about all people. However, as much as I think everyone ought to be treated equally, I think as much, or more important, everyone ought to be held equally accountable. Everyone needs to be rational and logical and responsible. Those who are not, and who get in trouble for such, really don't deserve the same kind of respect that those who do ought to get. Actions have consequences. People need to deal with the consequences of their actions.

But yes, if you act responsibly and you still get screwed, I'll always have your back.
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Yeah but you idea of responsible could have nothing to do with freedoms rights and the constitution.
"responsible" is very subjective.

Not saying you think this way at all but IM sure there are people that think its irresponsible for a white person to marry a black person, or its irresponsible to let women vote, or let muslims on an airplane. Etc etc

But stopping any 3 of those things would definitely infringe on rights and freedoms.

Again I'm not saying you think any of these are true I'm just pointing out how using responsibility (totally subjective) as a deciding factor could also mean a person does NOT care about your fellow american.
 
Goshin said:
If, by "do you care?" you mean do I consider other Americans when pondering legislation, and have a concern about how it will impact others even if my ox isn't going to be gored, then the answer is yes.
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Yes this is EXACTLY what I mean.
 
DiAnna said:
Outstanding OP! Welcome to another issue-minded Independent who does not need to refer to the Party Platform to decide what he thinks!

Yes, I care for my fellow Americans. I want their rights protected and respected, I want to see those who have fallen on hard times given the welfare they need to get bye, I want to see those who use welfare as a lifestyle of fraud to be prosecuted, I want our soldiers to get the best medical and psychological help possible when they return from fighting wars I don't believe they should have been forced to fight.

I care for those who are without jobs, and I care when jobs they would be happy to do are given to those who have no right to even be in this country. I want religious freedom protected for all of our citizens of all faiths, and of no faith, not just freedom to worship the majority religion while other religions are villified. I care about people who, through no fault of their own, have lost their homes and everything they own to the legalized fraud of deregulated banks, brokers and others, while government "bailouts" are distributed as bonuses to management rather than funneled to the victims of their fraud.

I don't know if this is what you had in mind in the OP, but yes, I do care about my fellow Americans, whether I agree with their politics or social views, because I still believe in a country where individual rights are protected, and ideology is not enforced on an unwilling populace by the rule of law.
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Not exactly but it definitely applies and your closing point should have been in my OP.
I care about me fellow amercian no matter if they are a democrat, republican, libertarian, gay, straight, black, brown, white, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, male, female etc etc etc etc

What they are on those levels doesnt matter to me because what they actually are, are AMERICANS.
 
Do I care about my fellow Americans? Sure. Do I want them to be able to make their own decisions? yes, absolutely. Should they have to live with the results of those decisions? yes again. Do I want to be affected negatively by someone else's bad decisions? No, I make enough of those on my own.

If I could, I'd make the statements in the Declaration of Independence apply not just to Americans, but to all mankind: All men (all mankind of both genders and all races/ethnicities/cultures) are created equal, endowed by our creator with inalienable rights.

And the purpose of government is to secure those rights from anyone who would limit them.

And any government action that does not serve to secure those rights is a wrong action.

And everyone has the right to make their own decisions, just as long as they don't curtail the liberties of anyone else.

But the world has a long way to go before all men live in such an environment.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do I care about my fellow Americans? Sure. Do I want them to be able to make their own decisions? yes, absolutely. Should they have to live with the results of those decisions? yes again. Do I want to be affected negatively by someone else's bad decisions? No, I make enough of those on my own.

If I could, I'd make the statements in the Declaration of Independence apply not just to Americans, but to all mankind: All men (all mankind of both genders and all races/ethnicities/cultures) are created equal, endowed by our creator with inalienable rights.

And the purpose of government is to secure those rights from anyone who would limit them.

And any government action that does not serve to secure those rights is a wrong action.

And everyone has the right to make their own decisions, just as long as they don't curtail the liberties of anyone else.

But the world has a long way to go before all men live in such an environment.
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ugh, I wonder what YOU mean by this bolded sentence? again VERY subjective. Just like what I said in post 11.

You may FEEL you are negatively affected by minorities living in your neighborhood, a women being allowed to vote, a person being openly gay, interracial marriages, a politician of a different party being in office, owning a store and not being allowed to discriminate.

Again not saying you think this way just point out how open your sentences is. Now you kind of clean it up with the 2 underline sentences but its still open.
 
O_Guru said:
ugh, I wonder what YOU mean by this bolded sentence? again VERY subjective. Just like what I said in post 11.

You may FEEL you are negatively affected by minorities living in your neighborhood, a women being allowed to vote, a person being openly gay, interracial marriages, a politician of a different party being in office, owning a store and not being allowed to discriminate.

Again not saying you think this way just point out how open your sentences is. Now you kind of clean it up with the 2 underline sentences but its still open.
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That is pretty open, isn't it?
No, minorities living in my neighborhood is not an infringement on my liberty. In fact, if all of the minorities moved out of my town, it would be a ghost town.

Some *** breaking into my house and trying to steal my stuff is an infringement, so is some idiot who wants to get drunk and then share the road with me. People who like power over others tend to infringe the liberty of the rest of us. A politician who wants to use the power of government to impose his morality on the rest of us is an infringement. I'm sure that there are a lot more examples.

But women being allowed to vote, a person being openly gay, interracial marriages, a politician of a different party being in office, owning a store and not being allowed to discriminate are not infringements on my liberty.
 
We are ONE country. We are ONE people.

Being concerned about our fellow citizens is the PATRIOTIC thing to do.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That is pretty open, isn't it?
No, minorities living in my neighborhood is not an infringement on my liberty. In fact, if all of the minorities moved out of my town, it would be a ghost town.

Some *** breaking into my house and trying to steal my stuff is an infringement, so is some idiot who wants to get drunk and then share the road with me. People who like power over others tend to infringe the liberty of the rest of us. A politician who wants to use the power of government to impose his morality on the rest of us is an infringement. I'm sure that there are a lot more examples.

But women being allowed to vote, a person being openly gay, interracial marriages, a politician of a different party being in office, owning a store and not being allowed to discriminate are not infringements on my liberty.
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Definitely agree!
Ill never understand the people that insist that I have to clearly find out the trespassers "intentions" before protecting myself or family. BULL****!

Don't want me to wonder about your intentions, unless you were invited keep your ass on the outside of my house. ;)
 
OK. So let's acknowledge that the Occupy Wall Street groups seem to represent an underrepresented citizenry lobbying for the greater good. Green groups and environmentalists are trying to prevent damage to the same underrepresented citizens. And Big Corporate is just the opposite. Pretty simple. Good guys and bad guys.
 
DaveFagan said:
OK. So let's acknowledge that the Occupy Wall Street groups seem to represent an underrepresented citizenry lobbying for the greater good. Green groups and environmentalists are trying to prevent damage to the same underrepresented citizens. And Big Corporate is just the opposite. Pretty simple. Good guys and bad guys.
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I have no idea how accurate this, but I get the impression that the Occupy groups are more uninformed or malinformed individules.

Of course, that's probably because IMO they should be protesting politicians along with the money that buys them.

My, but I'm cynical today...
 
The Mark said:
I have no idea how accurate this, but I get the impression that the Occupy groups are more uninformed or malinformed individules.

Of course, that's probably because IMO they should be protesting politicians along with the money that buys them.

My, but I'm cynical today...
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Celebrate your cynicism, and nurture it. It will lead you to the truth more often than not. Talking about politicians and the money that buys them is a good start.
 
Choice: Other - Explain

Explanation: Which fellow American?
 
O_Guru said:
I post in swings but I do a lot of reading and what I'm wondering is if its rare for people to think about their fellow americans? It seems to be common place for certain members here not to give two ****s about anybody but themselves! This is not the american way IMO and its insulting and hypocritical.

What I mean is, I have my own personal morals, beliefs and life structure I choose to live by. I however do not expect anybody else to follow them or even care what I do as long as its not impacting them.

For example, Gay equal rights. Now I've gone on record many times admitting I'm not exactly "gay friendly" nor do I really think much of that lifestyle but at the same time, that's not for me to decide for all. It's none of my business. I could never take away their rights and freedoms based on my opinion. I am not a fan but I have no right to force what I believe on them. How does one convince themselves they have the right to tell two other consenting adults who they can or can marry? My marriage is none of your business just like yours is none of mine.

Same with abortion, I'm no fan of abortion (and I laugh at all of those twits that claim people are fans of it) but at the same time its not my body nor my decision to make. I'd like abortions to be as low as possible but I don't want any more legislation than already exists unless technology changes. I personally would never have one (not that I could haha) but I couldn't force a women to 9 months of pregnancy and then give birth against her will. How would that even work with our current rights and freedoms? The logistics of it alone are mind boggling, where in the constitution is that allowed?

Religion, there's religions out there that certainly do not match mine. But I would never make any decisions to impact others religious freedom within its already protected sanctuary. My religion/beliefs are none of your business just like your religion/beliefs are none of mine.

I really have trouble understanding how some people hypocritically convince themselves that its right for them to force their views on others or do things to limit/impact others rights and freedoms based on their own personal opinions.

I'm just saying, I'm not gay friendly, not a fan of abortion and not a fan of others religion but I'd never do anything to impact the rights and freedoms of others on these matters because it's ignorant and hypocritical. It could be MY RIGHTS being impacted if to many people thought this way and it would certainly not be the America I'm proud to live in any more.

Also this isn't about my views above on Equal Gay Rights, Abortion or Religion those are just my examples for me personally. I don't care what your views are in this thread. I'm wondering if you have any issues like these. Are there things you disagree with but understand that in a great country like ours with freedoms and rights, that apply to us all, you simply understand and respect those same rights and freedoms for others.

SO basically do you care, think and respect your fellow americans when it comes to making laws or forcing views or is it all about you and thats it.
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This seems like a fairly universal topic. Why do you limit it to Americans. Is it more important to care for fellow Americans than for your fellow human beings? Just interested why you used that phrase.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Choice: Other - Explain

Explanation: Which fellow American?
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All of them, the vast majority.
There's no american I don't care about at least a little. Even the criminals keep some rights.

Yes there is a different between a law abiding fellow american and one who raped and killed 13 people, but in general I think about them all.
 
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