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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    OK. So let's acknowledge that the Occupy Wall Street groups seem to represent an underrepresented citizenry lobbying for the greater good. Green groups and environmentalists are trying to prevent damage to the same underrepresented citizens. And Big Corporate is just the opposite. Pretty simple. Good guys and bad guys.
    I have no idea how accurate this, but I get the impression that the Occupy groups are more uninformed or malinformed individules.

    Of course, that's probably because IMO they should be protesting politicians along with the money that buys them.

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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I have no idea how accurate this, but I get the impression that the Occupy groups are more uninformed or malinformed individules.

    Of course, that's probably because IMO they should be protesting politicians along with the money that buys them.

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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Choice: Other - Explain

    Explanation: Which fellow American?

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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I post in swings but I do a lot of reading and what I'm wondering is if its rare for people to think about their fellow americans? It seems to be common place for certain members here not to give two ****s about anybody but themselves! This is not the american way IMO and its insulting and hypocritical.

    What I mean is, I have my own personal morals, beliefs and life structure I choose to live by. I however do not expect anybody else to follow them or even care what I do as long as its not impacting them.

    For example, Gay equal rights. Now I've gone on record many times admitting I'm not exactly "gay friendly" nor do I really think much of that lifestyle but at the same time, that's not for me to decide for all. It's none of my business. I could never take away their rights and freedoms based on my opinion. I am not a fan but I have no right to force what I believe on them. How does one convince themselves they have the right to tell two other consenting adults who they can or can marry? My marriage is none of your business just like yours is none of mine.

    Same with abortion, I'm no fan of abortion (and I laugh at all of those twits that claim people are fans of it) but at the same time its not my body nor my decision to make. I'd like abortions to be as low as possible but I don't want any more legislation than already exists unless technology changes. I personally would never have one (not that I could haha) but I couldn't force a women to 9 months of pregnancy and then give birth against her will. How would that even work with our current rights and freedoms? The logistics of it alone are mind boggling, where in the constitution is that allowed?

    Religion, there's religions out there that certainly do not match mine. But I would never make any decisions to impact others religious freedom within its already protected sanctuary. My religion/beliefs are none of your business just like your religion/beliefs are none of mine.

    I really have trouble understanding how some people hypocritically convince themselves that its right for them to force their views on others or do things to limit/impact others rights and freedoms based on their own personal opinions.

    I'm just saying, I'm not gay friendly, not a fan of abortion and not a fan of others religion but I'd never do anything to impact the rights and freedoms of others on these matters because it's ignorant and hypocritical. It could be MY RIGHTS being impacted if to many people thought this way and it would certainly not be the America I'm proud to live in any more.

    Also this isn't about my views above on Equal Gay Rights, Abortion or Religion those are just my examples for me personally. I don't care what your views are in this thread. I'm wondering if you have any issues like these. Are there things you disagree with but understand that in a great country like ours with freedoms and rights, that apply to us all, you simply understand and respect those same rights and freedoms for others.

    SO basically do you care, think and respect your fellow americans when it comes to making laws or forcing views or is it all about you and thats it.
    This seems like a fairly universal topic. Why do you limit it to Americans. Is it more important to care for fellow Americans than for your fellow human beings? Just interested why you used that phrase.
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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Choice: Other - Explain

    Explanation: Which fellow American?

    All of them, the vast majority.
    There's no american I don't care about at least a little. Even the criminals keep some rights.

    Yes there is a different between a law abiding fellow american and one who raped and killed 13 people, but in general I think about them all.
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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    This seems like a fairly universal topic. Why do you limit it to Americans. Is it more important to care for fellow Americans than for your fellow human beings? Just interested why you used that phrase.
    "Is it more important to care for fellow Americans than for your fellow human beings?"
    for this topic, YES
    why? because im talking about the rights, laws and freedoms of this country. Something I can effect directly and daily.

    If your not an american my decisions arent really going to help you or hurt you that much nor do we get the opportunity to do that much about it.

    Yes in SOME RARE occasions we could try and influence our government to help a country, not pollute the world etc but again its just not an equal topic, its a different dynamic.
    PURE STUPIDITY 1.) Glenn Beck doesnt lie. 2.) Obama is Jesus like 3.) Sara Palin is so smart & shes a great speaker. 4.) Obama does just about everything perfect. 5.) Fox doesn' t lean right 6.) Pro-Choice is no different than Pro-Slavery 7.) MSNBC doesn't lean left. 8.) What TSA does is no different than sexual assault & child porn.

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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Yes, I care about my fellow Americans in the sense that I get really ticked off thinking about all the legislation passed over the last 30 years or so that truly hurt our citizens. Millions of good paying jobs lost to so-called Free Trade agreements. Millions of people losing their homes thanks to banking deregulaton capped off by Trillions of dollars added to the national debt to bailout a failed system. And for what? Oh yeah... to create a system that benefits maybe 5% of the population while the rest of us struggle just to buy groceries and keep a roof over our heads.

    Sure, I care. I care enough to join the ranks of voters that support congressional term limits and campaign finance reform (ie- getting corporations OUT of the election process). 'Bout time, too...

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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    Yeah but you idea of responsible could have nothing to do with freedoms rights and the constitution.
    "responsible" is very subjective.

    Not saying you think this way at all but IM sure there are people that think its irresponsible for a white person to marry a black person, or its irresponsible to let women vote, or let muslims on an airplane. Etc etc

    But stopping any 3 of those things would definitely infringe on rights and freedoms.

    Again I'm not saying you think any of these are true I'm just pointing out how using responsibility (totally subjective) as a deciding factor could also mean a person does NOT care about your fellow american.
    I don't consider any of those things to be a matter of responsibility. Those are personal preference. I'm more concerned with people making good choices in their lives that they can take care of and fund on their own without having to turn to society at large. That means people need to get an education, people need to get work experience, people need to have a work ethic so they can remain employed and advance in their chosen profession. People need to be responsible, not breed until they can afford to do so, not do stupid things in their lives and avoid potential pitfalls that can ruin their lives. There just isn't any excuse that any normal human being can't succeed in life, we give them all of the basics for free and all they have to do is take advantage of them.

    Who you marry, what color they are, what gender they are, those have nothing whatsoever to do with responsibility.
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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't consider any of those things to be a matter of responsibility. Those are personal preference. I'm more concerned with people making good choices in their lives that they can take care of and fund on their own without having to turn to society at large. That means people need to get an education, people need to get work experience, people need to have a work ethic so they can remain employed and advance in their chosen profession. People need to be responsible, not breed until they can afford to do so, not do stupid things in their lives and avoid potential pitfalls that can ruin their lives. There just isn't any excuse that any normal human being can't succeed in life, we give them all of the basics for free and all they have to do is take advantage of them.

    Who you marry, what color they are, what gender they are, those have nothing whatsoever to do with responsibility.

    I agree but others disagree that why Ii asked you to clarify.
    People do NEED to do those things you mention but it's not always that easy. Also what you call normal some disagree on and stand in they way of those people because they don't think they are normal.
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    Re: Do you care or think about your fellow american?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I agree but others disagree that why Ii asked you to clarify.
    But responsibility, in the sense that we're talking about, has nothing whatsoever to do with those things, so they are irrelevant.

    People do NEED to do those things you mention but it's not always that easy. Also what you call normal some disagree on and stand in they way of those people because they don't think they are normal.
    I used "normal" to differentiate them from, say, the mentally retarded or the physically disabled, people who are just not capable of doing those things on their own. They fall into their own category and ought to be helped. Your run-of-the-mill Joe who has no excuse for not being able to get out of bed in the morning and go to work, ignoring the current economic state for the moment, shouldn't have any excuses for not doing so.
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