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  • The statements are comparable.

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  • I AGREE with both statements equally.

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  • I think there should be real compromise in both issues.

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  • Statement 1 is right, Statement 2 is wrong.

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    It's my body verses it's my money...

    I thought it was a little interesting that 2 poles asking potentially similar questions appeared at the same time with striking differences in opinions.

    One pole essentially said "should humans who don't carry a child in their womb have a say in whether or not the child is born?". The other one essentially said "should people who don't contribute financially to government expenses have a say in how much tax revenue is collected and/or what it is spent on?"

    Statement 1: It's my body, and whatever happens with my body is totally up to me even if someone else is dependent upon my body or is otherwise vested in the health of my body.

    Statement 2: It's my money, and whatever happens with my money is totally up to me even if someone else is dependent upon my money or is otherwise vested in my earnings.

    Are these comparable statements?

    Do you totally agree to both simultaneously? Do you totally disagree with both simultaneously? Do you think there is compromise in both areas?
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    I had a somewhat hard time reconciling both statements, and I'd be interested in your thoughts.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    The two statements are unrelated for the most part. One deals with healthcare, one deals with money.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I thought it was a little interesting that 2 poles asking potentially similar questions appeared at the same time with striking differences in opinions.

    One pole essentially said "should humans who don't carry a child in their womb have a say in whether or not the child is born?". The other one essentially said "should people who don't contribute financially to government expenses have a say in how much tax revenue is collected and/or what it is spent on?"

    Statement 1: It's my body, and whatever happens with my body is totally up to me even if someone else is dependent upon my body or is otherwise vested in the health of my body.

    Statement 2: It's my money, and whatever happens with my money is totally up to me even if someone else is dependent upon my money or is otherwise vested in my earnings.

    Are these comparable statements?

    Do you totally agree to both simultaneously? Do you totally disagree with both simultaneously? Do you think there is compromise in both areas?
    I'm confused as to what you're getting at here, but I disagree with both statements.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    I thought there would be poetry.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I thought there would be poetry.
    Should've been. Verses vs. versus - sorry. I could sing a bit if you wanted.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    I see a similarity in both cases along the lines of "what is the greater good for the world around me vs the greater good for me" of course, the specifics in both cases depends on ideology.

    The ultimate choice in this case though being the individual vs society or could be called liberty vs tyranny by some.

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The two statements are unrelated for the most part. One deals with healthcare, one deals with money.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm confused as to what you're getting at here, but I disagree with both statements.
    Well what I tried to articulate (unsuccessfully), is that people who are vehemently against the woman's right to choose often believe in low taxes or few/no benefits. Meaning, I want to have input on what you do with your body, but I don't want others to have input as to where my money goes.

    Also, the opposite is true. People who are typically strong pro-choice (my body, my choice) are also often pro-tax. Meaning, even those who pay no taxes should have a say in how much tax is collected and what it's spent on.

    My body is mine. My money is mine. To one group: "Why does my body belong to me but my money to everyone?" Or, conversely, to another group: "Why should everyone have a say in what you can do with your body, but they shouldn't have a say in what you can do with your money?"
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Well what I tried to articulate (unsuccessfully), is that people who are vehemently against the woman's right to choose often believe in low taxes or few/no benefits. Meaning, I want to have input on what you do with your body, but I don't want others to have input as to where my money goes.

    Also, the opposite is true. People who are typically strong pro-choice (my body, my choice) are also often pro-tax. Meaning, even those who pay no taxes should have a say in how much tax is collected and what it's spent on.

    My body is mine. My money is mine. To one group: "Why does my body belong to me but my money to everyone?" Or, conversely, to another group: "Why should everyone have a say in what you can do with your body, but they shouldn't have a say in what you can do with your money?"
    In both cases, since we are all a part of society, we are all in a state of everything we have being needed for both ourselves and for the greater society. Everything we do has repercussions on the greater world around us, even if its a direct result or indirect result, we do affect the lives of everyone around us. Due to this, it is impossibly to clearly state what is mine is completely mine and alternatively what is mine is completely everyone's. Its both to varying degrees.

    Given that, I always find statements of full personal or community possession to be completely inane.

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Entirely unrelated. The ONLY viable argument with regard to 'its my body' and reproductive rights has to do with the child that gets slaughtered in the exercising of the mothers 'rights'. Being opposed to abortion based on the financial aspects or simply what a mother chooses to do to herself is foolish.

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