View Poll Results: It's my body verses it's my money (read explanation)

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  • The statements are comparable.

    3 15.79%
  • The statements are not comparable.

    4 21.05%
  • I AGREE with both statements equally.

    3 15.79%
  • I DISAGREE with both statements equally.

    3 15.79%
  • I think there should be real compromise in both issues.

    2 10.53%
  • Statement 1 is right, Statement 2 is wrong.

    3 15.79%
  • Statement 2 is right, Statement 1 is wrong.

    3 15.79%
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    5 26.32%
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Thread: It's my body verses it's my money...

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Prohibition is not the same as the government defining the use and purpose of money, though.
    No, it's not the same thing. It's an example of government overreaching and the American people stepping in an straightening it out. Further, it's an example of it being our government, not us being it's subjects.

    Ultimately: as it stands right now - we share governance of our money with the government. They are able to tax us, define regulations that inact fines on us and our transactions, etc. They do not have to, though, listen to our complaints - the judicary, therefor, is where we take serious issues - such as how income tax was addressed decades in the past and other issues of private bank vs federal reserve, etc.
    They are able to tax us because we allow it. Despite all the bickering over taxes...if the American people stood together and demanded an action regarding taxes...that's what would happen.

    If it was 100% our own: they wouldn't be able to tax us at all - and so on. It's a shared 'governance' - if we elected the governemnt and defined it's functions then that's what we decided was best.
    Again, they tax us because as a whole, we allow it...not because we have no say in it. It's not a "shared" governance. Our government is for the people, by the people.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ultimately: as it stands right now - we share governance of our money with the government. They are able to tax us, define regulations that inact fines on us and our transactions, etc. They do not have to, though, listen to our complaints - the judicary, therefor, is where we take serious issues - such as how income tax was addressed decades in the past and other issues of private bank vs federal reserve, etc.

    If it was 100% our own: they wouldn't be able to tax us at all - and so on. It's a shared 'governance' - if we elected the governemnt and defined it's functions then that's what we decided was best.
    I agree with the sentiment somewhat, although, I'd say that "we share governance of our money with each other via the government". It's our government even if we suck at controlling it.

    However, that thinking also implies that as long as the government says it's ok, then it's ok. But, the government changes both how it views rights over your own body or others and how much of what is "yours" that it takes. Just because "we", via the government, "decided what was best" doesn't mean it was what was best. It's just what passed.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Here is the thing, on the money subject I believe there are PLENTY of other things that several conservatives would love to spend money on that liberals do not. The money thing is a moot point. I think we can all agree that if possible to function as a society we would go with 0% taxes but as a civil society that is impossible.

    As for the whole giving birth control to women, look birth control does not cost a lot in the first place. Those few women out there that need it subsidized aren't even costing you the American tax payer 1/8 of a cent per year. Giving women that need birthcontrol the birthcontrol in the long run saves you the tax payer money. I don't even know why this is even a discussion anymore. As for religious institutes, let them pay some taxes then they have a right to an opinion of our government.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Here is the thing, on the money subject I believe there are PLENTY of other things that several conservatives would love to spend money on that liberals do not. The money thing is a moot point. I think we can all agree that if possible to function as a society we would go with 0% taxes but as a civil society that is impossible.

    As for the whole giving birth control to women, look birth control does not cost a lot in the first place. Those few women out there that need it subsidized aren't even costing you the American tax payer 1/8 of a cent per year. Giving women that need birthcontrol the birthcontrol in the long run saves you the tax payer money. I don't even know why this is even a discussion anymore. As for religious institutes, let them pay some taxes then they have a right to an opinion of our government.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    You may have posted in the wrong poll.
    No because I know what the guy is getting at. He wouldn't be posting this out of the blue unless it was in context with a current event. That's how everyone in here works. They think they are crafty posting a poll that has "Nothing to do with" a current event in hopes that someone that normally sees one way on the issue sees it differently when it is made vague to them in a poll, therefore giving the OP some kind of smug internet satisfaction. /End thread.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Question for the OP:

    I sense that your poll and your explanation in post #1 differ. Your explanation, to me at least, suggests that you are asking about the seeming contradiction in attitudes, and the two questions point out said contradiction. People's specific opinions aren't really relevant... though many are answering them anyway.

    Am I correct in my interpretation regarding your intent, or am I missing it?

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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    No because I know what the guy is getting at. He wouldn't be posting this out of the blue unless it was in context with a current event. That's how everyone in here works. They think they are crafty posting a poll that has "Nothing to do with" a current event in hopes that someone that normally sees one way on the issue sees it differently when it is made vague to them in a poll, therefore giving the OP some kind of smug internet satisfaction. /End thread.
    See, that's what I'm saying. I started the poll so I know that your bias is wrong. And, as it says in the intro, I posted it because the 2 questions (which I consider similar) were running independently and people react completely differently to each based on the particular example. The same people (characteristically) say either 1.) that the collective we CAN'T have a say in what someone else does with their body, but we CAN have a say in what they do with their property; or 2.) that the collective we CAN have a say in what someone does with their body, but we CAN'T have a say in what they do with their property.

    Do you think the comparisons are similar? If so, why? If not, why?

    To rephrase: 1.) Should government or society be able to force you to do something with your body for your good or for the good of another AND be able to force you to do something with your property for your good or for the good of another? Or, 2.) Should government or society not be allowed to take control of your body (regardless of the good for you or another) AND not be allowed to take control of your property (regardless of the good for you or another)? Or, 3.) You don't think it's an accurate comparison.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Question for the OP:

    I sense that your poll and your explanation in post #1 differ. Your explanation, to me at least, suggests that you are asking about the seeming contradiction in attitudes, and the two questions point out said contradiction. People's specific opinions aren't really relevant... though many are answering them anyway.

    Am I correct in my interpretation regarding your intent, or am I missing it?
    Sorry, Radcen - can you rephrase? I guess I'm interested in seeing if what I consider a contradiction is perceived by others as a contradiction. And, if it's not perceived that way, why is it not a contradiction? Meaning, I guess I'm open to suggestions that the 2 assumptions aren't comparable, but I'd like to know why.

    Also, the question itself softens my thinking a bit in both areas. Meaning, I tend to lean to inconsistency when comparing these 2 things as well.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    The two aren't related. But but statements are wrong.
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    Re: It's my body verses it's my money...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Sorry, Radcen - can you rephrase? I guess I'm interested in seeing if what I consider a contradiction is perceived by others as a contradiction. And, if it's not perceived that way, why is it not a contradiction? Meaning, I guess I'm open to suggestions that the 2 assumptions aren't comparable, but I'd like to know why.

    Also, the question itself softens my thinking a bit in both areas. Meaning, I tend to lean to inconsistency when comparing these 2 things as well.
    I'm getting ready to head out for the day, but I'll try to remember to come back to this later this evening.

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