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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why would those be the only choices?
    If the healthcare provision calling for "fines" for not having private insurance is ruled unConstitutional, then the plan could be tweaked that, if one doesn't want to buy private insurance, they would have to buy a public policy.

    If the SC rules that people can't be required to buy health insurance at all, and cannot be "taxed" for not doing so, then the plan is gutted, in my opinion.

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    I am against obama care and I am sure the supremes will invalidate it but I will give the Dem's credit for making health care an issue. The cost of health care is absolutely through the roof and the insurance premiums reflect this. Reps need to present an alternative plan that will stop and even reverse the skyrocketing cost of wellness in this country, I haven't see one yet that does anything but nibble around the edges.
    The only ONLY way to get a handle on healthcare costs is to establish a $250-$500 minimum deductible for everybody and penalize those who choose to use our emergency rooms as their primary care physician.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If the healthcare provision calling for "fines" for not having private insurance is ruled unConstitutional, then the plan could be tweaked that, if one doesn't want to buy private insurance, they would have to buy a public policy.

    If the SC rules that people can't be required to buy health insurance at all, and cannot be "taxed" for not doing so, then the plan is gutted, in my opinion.
    OK, then it's gutted.

    It doesn't pave the way to more government control over health care, though.



    The only ONLY way to get a handle on healthcare costs is to establish a $250-$500 minimum deductible for everybody and penalize those who choose to use our emergency rooms as their primary care physician.
    There are other ways, like stopping the separation of payment between the customer and the provider.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    or have a system of government administered national health care insurance removing the private insurance companies from the mix thereby removing the hated right wing objection to being forced to buy a private companies goods.
    I favor this, but the end result should be about the same.
    I also think that our government can do this with greater efficiency than the profit driven insurance companies.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There are other ways, like stopping the separation of payment between the customer and the provider.
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you're saying that the customer should SEE the bill before insurance pays it, I ask, "What good would that do?" If people don't have skin in the game, they couldn't care less what's being charged.

    If it cost a mom $250 to take her child to the emergency room for a cold, that'd stop. If it cost someone $250 to call an ambulance, that'd stop. If it cost someone $250 to have a butterfly bandage put on, that'd stop...three stitches? That'd stop. I could go on . . .
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    or have a system of government administered national health care insurance removing the private insurance companies from the mix thereby removing the hated right wing objection to being forced to buy a private companies goods.
    It's not as simple as you make it out to be, the objection is to the federal government being able to force private insurance companies to alter their product line and/or coverage at the governments whim. Forcibly removing the option for a citizen to choose the private option he feels best meets his needs is another step in the wrong direction.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    I don't know how it will go ... but i'm leaning towards at least the mandate being stricken down in a 5-4 decision.

    it will take some major constitutional gymnastics for the mandate to be found constitutional... but it's not like we havent seen those types of gymnastics all throughout SCOTUS's history

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    One place we could start is getting illegals out of our country, they sop up alot of health care dollars. Add to this the fact that the kid they have in our hospitals gets citizenship and are a further cost and the problem is exacerbated. These people are not capable of mandate insurance, they have no money to contribute and are nothing but a huge cost to the rest of us "citizens".

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    True health care reform must originate from an apolitical group of concerned citizens...a group of doctors, nurses, citizens
    Impossible. You cannot be apolitical by nature when policies are being done or undone based on your opinions. Since the medical field has the most dogs in the race, the chance of them remaining neutral on the subject approaches zero.

    Or we could go the easy route and copy the Canadian or Australian plan....
    Pass. I have an issue with waiting 3-4 months to see a doctor. If I want to see a doctor, I'm going to see a doctor. Waitlists can kiss my ass.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
    I'm saying you can eliminate the third-party payer.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Why do you think "private product" and "government product" is a constitutional distinction? That one's pulled from whole cloth.
    That is the justification for the plaintiffs arguing to overturn the individual mandate (that, and the assertion that it's not a tax). If it was just an individual mandate for a PUBLIC option, then it would be no different from lots of other things that the government already forces people to participate in, such as social security or selective service or federal income taxes. And since the Supreme Court seems unlikely to completely overturn the last 80 years of legal tradition in this country, the plaintiffs decided to focus on a much narrower case and draw the distinction between forcing people to participate in a public vs private system.
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