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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Although that's a nice idea, in practice Supreme Court justices are often guided by their own ideology...and their own views on the merits of the Affordable Care Act might well come into play (although I'm sure they can find do constitutional contortions to justify their opinion). In high-profile court cases, there is absolutely a utilitarian element in play.

    I'm just saying that overturning the individual mandate will probably not be the conservative victory many on the right are hoping for. At best (from their perspective), it will likely be a fleeting victory...but in the end I think it would pave the way for a much more comprehensive takeover of health care than the Affordable Care Act. For example, if the Supreme Court rules that you can't force people to buy a private product, the obvious policy retort is to force them to buy a government product instead. And I think that would have a lot more popular support than a return to a system where insurers could discriminate based on preexisting conditions.
    Why do you think "private product" and "government product" is a constitutional distinction? That one's pulled from whole cloth.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Although that's a nice idea, in practice Supreme Court justices are often guided by their own ideology...and their own views on the merits of the Affordable Care Act might well come into play (although I'm sure they can find do constitutional contortions to justify their opinion). In high-profile court cases, there is absolutely a utilitarian element in play.

    I'm just saying that overturning the individual mandate will probably not be the conservative victory many on the right are hoping for. At best (from their perspective), it will likely be a fleeting victory...but in the end I think it would pave the way for a much more comprehensive takeover of health care than the Affordable Care Act. For example, if the Supreme Court rules that you can't force people to buy a private product, the obvious policy retort is to force them to buy a government product instead. And I think that would have a lot more popular support than a return to a system where insurers could discriminate based on preexisting conditions.
    You're right about moving us closer to takeover. If they find that provision unconstitutional, the solution, then, is to make people either purchase private health insurance...or purchase a public policy. Hmmmm....
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You're right about moving us closer to takeover. If they find that provision unconstitutional, the solution, then, is to make people either purchase private health insurance...or purchase a public policy. Hmmmm....
    Why would those be the only choices?
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    or have a system of government administered national health care insurance removing the private insurance companies from the mix thereby removing the hated right wing objection to being forced to buy a private companies goods.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Congress has the power to tax for general welfare.


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    I am against obama care and I am sure the supremes will invalidate it but I will give the Dem's credit for making health care an issue. The cost of health care is absolutely through the roof and the insurance premiums reflect this. Reps need to present an alternative plan that will stop and even reverse the skyrocketing cost of wellness in this country, I haven't see one yet that does anything but nibble around the edges.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is precisely why I make the prediction I do. I can't remember who, but I do recall that one of Ted Kennedy's aides remarking after his death that he had seen the SCOTUS as a sort of "Super-Senate", an inherently political branch.
    Yeah, you can't expect one iota of objectivity from any branch of government.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I"m betting for a narrow ruling that overturns just the individual mandate. Sad, because I'd like to see the entire, 2,000+ Page Putrid monstrosity heaved overboard, but I'm thinking Anthony Kennedy the Court will see simply striking the mandate as the preferable political option.
    The way I see this, its a bill (Affordable Health Care) for the masses, not necessarily for the conservative wealthy.
    The term "Obamacare" is disrespectful...but then, so are conservatives, who, IMO, never deserved their wealth..
    That our nations health care was and still is , to me, obviously in need of reform/improvement...but not so for those hiding in their ivory towers..
    Our Surpreme Court consists of men with more intelligence and sensitivity than wealthy conservatives, but I hope they do what is best for most of our people..

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, I agree. Same with toilet paper, we should all have to buy it because, inevitably, we will all need it.
    If you don't buy toilet paper I don't care because when you need toilet paper and don't have any we tax payers are not going to be the ones who have to pick up the bill to pay for your toilet paper.

    However, if you needed emergency surgery and do not have health insurance the costs shift to the rest of us.
    In fact most of us who do have health insurance pay more than $1,000 a year for the uninsured.
    No one can guarantee that he or she will not need healthcare, and most people without insurance are unable to pay for the care they receive. As a result, they shift those costs to the rest of us, either because the government picks up the tab or because hospitals required to treat the sick regardless of ability to pay pass on the costs to others in higher fees. The uninsured thereby shift about $43 billion in costs each year to the rest of us, increasing the average premium for insured families by more than $1,000 a year.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am against Obama care and I am sure the supremes will invalidate it but I will give the Dem's credit for making health care an issue. The cost of health care is absolutely through the roof and the insurance premiums reflect this. Reps need to present an alternative plan that will stop and even reverse the skyrocketing cost of wellness in this country, I haven't see one yet that does anything but nibble around the edges.
    True health care reform must originate from an apolitical group of concerned citizens...a group of doctors, nurses, citizens....but all special people who know compassion/sensitivity and of course medicine.....Overseen by President Obama , I think...Or we could go the easy route and copy the Canadian or Australian plan....

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