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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The government does not have the right to force commerce upon private citizens.
    Government does that every day. It's called car insurance. Oh, and one might say, "Yes, but I only need car insurance if I drive..." And Maggie would say, "You'll only health insurance if you breath."

    I think the Supreme Court will find it most of it constitutional.

    I just hope they read the damn thing.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Government does that every day. It's called car insurance.
    It's not about only needing it if you drive. It's about it only being REQUIRED if you drive, and then it's only about your liability to others, not yourself, and only if you drive on public roads.

    The mandate requires you to buy health insurance for yourself, period. It's required simply to live.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The government does not have the right to force commerce upon private citizens.
    sure they do.

    "if you see doctors, you must have health insurance"

    "if you own a car, you must have car insuance"

    "if you live in a flood-prone area, you must have flood insurance"

    "you must have a smoke and CO alarm in your home"

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Government does that every day. It's called car insurance. Oh, and one might say, "Yes, but I only need car insurance if I drive..." And Maggie would say, "You'll only health insurance if you breath."

    I think the Supreme Court will find it most of it constitutional.

    I just hope they read the damn thing.
    Two problems with this.

    1: The car insurance is not federally mandated. It's state mandated. Two different animals.

    2: No one should be forced to buy from privately owned companies just because they breath. That sets a VERY bad precident which should be avoided at ALL costs. Because if it is set then what is next? Forced to buy nothing but healthfoods? Forced to buy vitamins? A cancer patient forced to buy medical care instead of just denying it so that they can be free of all the pain? Afterall, its all for the general welfare of people since people obviously can't make their own life decisions.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    let's also remember that "Obamacare" doesn't require ALL Americans, to buy health insurance. Many folks are waved from that responsibility.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sure they do.

    "if you see doctors, you must have health insurance"
    That's not a law, genius.

    "if you own a car, you must have car insuance"
    Not if you don't drive it on public roads. And it's a state law.


    "if you live in a flood-prone area, you must have flood insurance"
    That, too, is not a law, genius.

    "you must have a smoke and CO alarm in your home"
    Where that's in effect, that, too, is a state law.

    Tell me . . . in this case, why does the state/federal distinction matter? Can you tell me?
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not a law, genius....
    it is NOW.

    and thank you for the compliment.

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not a law, genius.



    Not if you don't drive it on public roads. And it's a state law.




    That, too, is not a law, genius.



    Where that's in effect, that, too, is a state law.

    Tell me . . . in this case, why does the state/federal distinction matter? Can you tell me?
    You do realize you're debating Thunder right? None of this will be answered. All will be avoided. You may as well play in traffic or something because its just as productive. You've been around a lot longer than me bro, you should know this lol.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sure they do.
    No they don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "if you see doctors, you must have health insurance"
    No you don't. You can pay for it out of pocket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "if you own a car, you must have car insuance"
    Wrong on two counts. 1: car insurance is state mandated, not federal mandated. Two different animals. (you should recognize this from your own city) 2: you can own 50 cars and not have to have insurance for even one. The only time you need insurance is if you drive on public roads. However you can drive your car/s around your own property all that you want without having to have insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "if you live in a flood-prone area, you must have flood insurance"
    If such a law even exists (which I doubt) it would at most be state mandated. Not federal. Now...do you have evidence that such a law exists on the federal level?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "you must have a smoke and CO alarm in your home"
    Again, this is not federally mandated for any privately owned home. And I would challenge you to show otherwise.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it is NOW.
    Oh, sure, there's a constitutional argument: "Mr. Justice, it's clearly constitutional because it's currently a law."

    Not that you can't pay out of pocket if you see a doctor anyway, so no, it's not even a law . . . genius.

    Not to mention that the "law" requires you to have it even if you DON'T see a doctor, so you fail a third time in a three-word post. That's gotta be a record.
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