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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The individual mandate is needed and I also think the Supreme Court will declare it legal.
    I think everyone should have to buy health insurance given the inevitability that we will all need healthcare.
    Yeah, I agree. Same with toilet paper, we should all have to buy it because, inevitably, we will all need it.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    They definitely won't overturn the entire thing. That would be a quite radical step considering many decades of judicial precedent that would support upholding it. The question is whether or not they will strike down the individual mandate. We'll probably have a better indication of that during the hearings, since justices often give clues as to which way they will rule. But for now, InTrade suggests that the probability is 39% that they will strike down the individual mandate, and 61% that they uphold it.

    I also think that conservatives should be careful what they wish for (especially since the individual mandate was a conservative idea). If the individual mandate is struck down and the new health care system becomes unworkable, do you really think that people are going to be demanding that we go back to a system where insurers were allowed to deny people coverage for preexisting conditions? I think it's more likely that it would hasten the arrival of true public health insurance.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    I guarantee they uphold it, that is all. next complaint mr. republicans? what deed obama doo neow?

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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I guarantee they uphold it, that is all. next complaint mr. republicans? what deed obama doo neow?
    You guarantee it?
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Congress has the power to tax for general welfare.
    Why Obama's Healthcare Law Is Constitutional | The Nation
    except that it isn't a tax, remember? The Obama Administration was very clear on this point.


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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    and in testimony before Congress, which means that key members of the Administration are guilty of perjury if indeed they now say it is:



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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I also think that conservatives should be careful what they wish for (especially since the individual mandate was a conservative idea). If the individual mandate is struck down and the new health care system becomes unworkable, do you really think that people are going to be demanding that we go back to a system where insurers were allowed to deny people coverage for preexisting conditions? I think it's more likely that it would hasten the arrival of true public health insurance.
    Not a point which has a thing to do with constitutionality. If it's unconstitutional (and I can think of more than one way that it is), then it needs to go, regardless of any of this.

    Constitutionality isn't a utilitarian proposition.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I guarantee they uphold it, that is all.
    Of course you do. I'm sure you "guarantee" that liberal ideas/issues/candidates will win everything else, too, whatever it happens to be.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not think any one knows at this point. While rulings have been so far mostly along ideological lines, here has been enough exceptions that it is not safe to bet an almost any of the justices. It really is a complicated issue in terms of constitutionality, and I think the fact that the judges who have rules so far are very split shows that.
    This is about right. Scalia is center right somewhat interpretist, Roberts and Thomas are originalists, Kagen/Ginsberg are hard left, Stevens/Breyer/Kennedy are total wildcards. That makeup insures one thing, nothing is certain.
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    Re: What Will SCOTUS Decide About Obamacare?

    If they actually do their job correctly then at the very least the mandate will be stricken out. Which of course means that the rest of the law will fall because it all centers on that mandate. The only part that might still be effective is the part that prohibits insurance companies from denying pre-existing conditions. Though its possible that that may be stricken out as well.
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