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Thread: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Everybody deserves an adequate lawyer when in need of defense. I could never be a defense attorney, personally. I can't fathom the idea of defending bad people....
    they don't defend them. they represent them.

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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they don't defend them. they represent them.
    to-may-to, to-mah-to. They defend the innocence of their client.
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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    to-may-to, to-mah-to. They defend the innocence of their client.
    no, sometims they don't do that.

    sometimes their client pleads guilty....as part of a plea-bargain.

    sorry, but your understanding of the legal system is faulty.

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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Everybody deserves an adequate lawyer when in need of defense. I could never be a defense attorney, personally. I can't fathom the idea of defending bad people. If I won a case for somebody who later went on to commit serious crimes I'd never forgive myself for it.
    From a very early age, I've always wanted to be a lawyer practicing in criminal law.

    I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Partly for the reason you just expressed. As defense counsel, I couldn't bear defending those who I felt were guilty (and in the beginning of your practice, you can't be very picky with clients). As prosecuting counsel, I couldn't bear bringing an innocent man behind bars.

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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, sometims they don't do that.

    sometimes their client pleads guilty....as part of a plea-bargain.

    sorry, but your understanding of the legal system is faulty.
    Whatever, dude. You're making a stupid semantic argument for absolutely no reason. Don't insult me or my intelligence based on...well, absolutely nothing, really. Get over it, move on, make a point, or just plain stop responding to me. This little diatribe of yours is foolish and a waste of your time.
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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, sometims they don't do that.

    sometimes their client pleads guilty....as part of a plea-bargain.

    sorry, but your understanding of the legal system is faulty.
    They only do so when it's plainly clear that they cannot get them off the charges, they try to get them sentenced to a lighter charge by making a deal with the prosecution. Guilty ought to be guilty. You did the crime, you ought to do the time, period. It should never be a matter of whose lawyer is slicker, but of the actual offense committed.
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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    What about a prosecutor?


    If you need to convict someone or your job performance suffers, even if you believe the person to be innocent. There is no bonus in finding the truth, there is a paycheck in conviction or absolution.

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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    They are a necessary part of the system. There are good lawyers, and there are asshole lawyers. But the system requires the duties that they perform. The same applies to all lawyers, not just criminal defense attorneys.
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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they don't defend them. they represent them.
    You cannot be serious - playing semantic games. They are called DEFENSE attorneys for a reason. Their side is called the DEFENSE for a reason.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Republicans & conservatives: Please respond!

    Defense attorney's are needed and required in our system. I think if I have any issues with them, it's that some are very shady. Otherwise, I've got no issues with defense attorney's specifically.
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