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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    for example, am i for technology that will maximize food production in a growing / developing world? yes.
    Yes. How about optimizing existing agriculture and/or abolish "harmful" cultures, such as tobacco?

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    what i can tell you is that if we all want to keep reproducing, a large percentage of the additional food needed for a growing population is going to have to come from technology.
    Thousands of tons of food are dumped around the world every day. How about a more efficient distribution system? Hm, no, we need new social-economic system altogether, imho.


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    GMO's are occurring in nature all the time. We should stop it, right?
    There is a difference between natural and human GMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Hybrids mix two species together that, in nature, could never happen or might happen only once in (literally) a million years. In short, hybrids are not "natural". So, what exactly do you think they do with GMO's that makes them more dangerous?
    Directly manipulate DNA?

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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Directly manipulate DNA?
    I think we already do that and have been doing it for some time, though it's rather crude at this point. We're not building DNA from scratch or anything. As far as I know we're just pushing around some already existing sequences and controlling which genes cross over to the next generation.

    But I'll yield to Helix for details, I'm an amateur at best.
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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think we already do that and have been doing it for some time,
    That's the problem. I think we shouldn't, it's too risky 'cause we don't know how that may end (mutations, viruses, etc).

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    Re: Gmo

    Most things that I have heard about GMO's are negative...


    But then, the only sources I've heard from are probably somewhat biased.


    Has anyone done a serious scientific study to discover whether any possible negative effects exist?

    Because most of what I’ve heard seems like “well this is a possible side-effect, ZOMG TEH HORROR, ban it now!!!!”.
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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    That's the problem. I think we shouldn't, it's too risky 'cause we don't know how that may end (mutations, viruses, etc).
    The same could be said of most things that, sometimes literally, change the world.

    Taking risk is what we do to advance. There are ways to reduce risk and we usually do that. The trick is to take a step, test your footing to make sure it's solid, then take another step. If the risk is bigger the steps are made smaller. If the risk is small the steps get bigger. But you can't eliminate risk if you want to advance because you never know what's over the next hill. Somewhere along the line you've got to be a silhouette on the hilltop if you're going to see what's over that hill.
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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Taking risk is what we do to advance. There are ways to reduce risk and we usually do that. The trick is to take a step, test your footing to make sure it's solid, then take another step.
    Yeah, like Fukushima NPP! It's the 1 year anniversary today. This GMO business is too dangerous to be played with. We have enough knowledge and land to feed ourselves with traditional crops. We just have to organize the whole thing a lot better, not pay farmers to NOT produce or transport lettuce from California to New York.

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    Re: Gmo

    I do believe GMO technology needs to be watched closely. Too often corporations overlook or ignore safety measures.

    Fukushima! Just goes to show there is never enough oversight.

    BUT at almost 10,000 operational years (maybe more) and there have only been three major incidents. I'm not saying it's good, and the fact is there are much safer nuclear designs available, but a 15% reduction in electricity doesn't seem like a good idea, either - at least not yet. Would you have preferred coal or oil power plants all those years?
    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    We just have to organize the whole thing a lot better, not pay farmers to NOT produce or transport lettuce from California to New York.
    Don't get me started on the whole "not pay farmers to NOT produce" thing. That's it's own long and winding thread. You should do some research before making that comment.
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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Are you for or against GMO?
    Do you think it should be banned or the other way round?
    Do you trust politicians and "experts" regarding this matter?

    Everything we eat has already been genetically modified.

    That's why bananas no longer have any seeds.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think we already do that and have been doing it for some time, though it's rather crude at this point. We're not building DNA from scratch or anything. As far as I know we're just pushing around some already existing sequences and controlling which genes cross over to the next generation.

    But I'll yield to Helix for details, I'm an amateur at best.
    my direct experience with gene modification at this point : i add modified genes into plasmid expression vectors (circular bits of DNA). the genes are generally mammalian, and they contain small mutations in specific areas. we then grow the bacteria, harvest the plasmid, and transfect it into mammalian cells (in a transient transfection, meaning that the DNA is not incorporated into the genome of the target cells.) then, to put it in simple terms, we see what the small mutations do to protein expression in the mammalian tissue culture model. in this way, it's possible to narrow down exactly how specific expression is taking place. basically, if the point mutation is in an especially important area, one might see a reduction in expression.

    though i have not yet worked directly with GM plants, it's basically a matter of inserting a microbial gene into the plant's genome, giving it a new trait, such as resistance to viral infection / insects, or to make the plant more hearty in less than ideal conditions. these crops are tested; the standard method is to test an introduced protein in animal models at high doses. in this way, toxicity / allergenicity can be determined.

    food safety is a field that i'm fascinated with; i have been lucky enough to work one multi-year food safety R&D job, and i hope to continue my career in this direction in years to come.

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    Re: Gmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    these crops are tested; the standard method is to test an introduced protein in animal models at high doses. in this way, toxicity / allergenicity can be determined.
    Basically, that's they way they test drugs on humans, too. The don't use mega-doses (that's done during animal testing) but they often use much higher doses than what's being predicted for public use to see what it does to healthy humans.

    So you're in the early stages of testing animal DNA modification, testing the affect on the cells themselves before it's tested on whole animal? That must be interesting work, though it must be boring at times, too. Thanks for the info!
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