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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marine Sgt. Gary Stein first started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots to encourage service members to exercise their free speech rights. Then he declared that he wouldn't follow orders from the commander in chief, President Barack Obama.

    While Stein softened his statement to say he wouldn't follow "unlawful orders," military observers say he may have gone too far.

    The Marine Corps is now looking into whether he violated the military's rules prohibiting political statements by those in uniform and broke its guidelines on what troops can and cannot say on social media. Stein said his views are constitutionally protected.

    While troops have always expressed their views in private, Stein's case highlights the potential for their opinions to go global as tech-savvy service members post personal details, videos and pictures that can hurt the military's image at home and abroad..............

    The link provides the rest of the story.
    Also, the second link describes our rights as service members regarding free speech.
    Marine's Facebook page tests military rules - Yahoo! News
    Watch what you say: Speech limits under UCMJ - Military Law, Military Law Advice, Ask a Lawyer - Army Times
    Military men and women are Americans, and as such, have the right to express political opinions. However, they do not have the right to commit insubordination, which is a crime. The President is Commander in Chief, and his orders are to be followed. Not doing so is a serious offense that falls outside of the First Amendment. Whether disobeying the President, or a General, or even a ranking NCO, it does not fall under the scope of the First Amendment. It is a serious crime, known as insubordination. Since the OP attempts to link First Amendment rights to refusing to follow lawful orders, the poll question itself is seriously flawed. The soldier should be allowed to talk Tea Party all he wants to, but the minute he states that he will refuse to follow lawful orders, he has committed a crime, and should be prosecuted for it. He does not have the right to decide for himself what lawful orders are. If he did, it would open up the floodgates for many others to decide for themselves which orders they will or will not follow, based on their own whims, and then the chain of command breaks down. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

    NOTE: Sgt. Stein's refusal to follow lawful orders is based on his nutty birther belief that Obama is not an American citizen, and therefore, all orders from Obama are unlawful. IMHO, this makes him unfit to command others, and he should be busted back to private, as well as being prosecuted and sentenced for insubordination, before being given his dishonorable discharge. After that, he is free to join Orly Taitz and her group of fruitcakes.
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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Which unlawful orders has Obama given? Has he ordered troops to kill any innocent civilians? Maybe he's told them to burn down a few homes? Has he made them break any part of the Geneva Conventions? No? Then tell that little bitch to stfu already.
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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Which unlawful orders has Obama given? Has he ordered troops to kill any innocent civilians? Maybe he's told them to burn down a few homes? Has he made them break any part of the Geneva Conventions? No? Then tell that little bitch to stfu already.
    According to the Sgt, all of Obama's orders are unlawful, because he was born in Kenya and is not a US citizen, and so is not really commander in chief. Sheesh!
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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Fight the power, baby. Next time he tells you to do something you dont like just look him right square in the eyes and tell him hell no...you've cleaned your last fryer!!!

    You CAN say that on Facebook. You may choose not to but you have the freedom to do so without repercussion.
    If one of my co-workers saw it on Facebook, or the Boss for that matter, I could be fired. Then I'd be unemployed like you.
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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    According to the Sgt, all of Obama's orders are unlawful, because he was born in Kenya and is not a US citizen, and so is not really commander in chief. Sheesh!
    Do you have a link supporting this claim? I haven't seen anyone on here provide any proof that he is a birther other than their accusation. Thanks.
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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    not realy sure how the US military works but isnt the president head of the armed forces? If that is the case then no they should not be allowed to call a cmmanding officer a jackass in public

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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    not realy sure how the US military works but isnt the president head of the armed forces? If that is the case then no they should not be allowed to call a cmmanding officer a jackass in public
    they can, just not under the colors of their employer.

    Joe blow can say " Obama is a jackass" all day long
    but Sgt. Joe Blow can't.
    Capt. Joe Blow really can't

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    Re: Should military members be able to freely express their opinions on politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they can, just not under the colors of their employer.

    Joe blow can say " Obama is a jackass" all day long
    but Sgt. Joe Blow can't.
    Capt. Joe Blow really can't

    even in civies I imagine it would still be frowned upon if you did it in public! I couldnt of just slagged one of my old officers in the pub because if someone told him about it I would be in the ****.

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