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Racism against Hispanics?

Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?


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German, everyone knows those white kids were just there to honor the USA, not watch this "foozeball game". LOL

Quit watching the liberal media, man! Rush and Beck have covered this!


So... uhh.... What proof do you have that the coach thought it was racist? That he acted to stop the chant? More assumptions.




Of course he did. Because if your not for it... your against it. Thats how being PC works.




Same as above.

I haven't seen anything outside of assumptions.


there you go again with something I never brought up.

I never called it liberal. you did.

I think you are getting your liberal panties in a wad.

That's great logic you've used there, Caine. Oh wait, you didn't. Isn't it you making the assumption that you can tell racism better from behind your computer screen than the entire auditorium who was there?

And yeah, I would infer the coach thought it was racist, unless you think he just hates America.
 
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Last time I checked, the whole purpose of a sports match is to compete *against* other groups. If you didn't care "your side" wins, you wouldn't chant or cheer at all.
Yes, There is competition. But that doesn't mean the crowd is a part of it. Ive been to plenty of high school sports matches to work the event.... I see both home and away sides showing good sportsmanship and cheering each other on, especially during an injury (not saying there is one here). But if people were so polarized as you are making them out to be at all times at sports events.... wouldn't they boo when the injured opposing player got back up and limped off the field conscious???



But it wouldn't make sense to identify one team in the match as "American", when you don't believe the other side is not American.
So because they did not coordinate in showing American pride with the other team then they must be identifying their team as American instead of just chanting?

When you chant "USA", but both teams are American, that wouldn't make much sense in order to cheer on your team, would it? Because that would include both teams, as both teams are American.
So what is next? All the fans are racist against Juan Pablo Montoya at a NASCAR race because the crowd is involved in a display of Patriotism????


Hence the implication is clear: Those chanting "USA" to cheer on their team apparently believe the other team is not really American.
Its a huge stretch of assumptions with little to no basis except that you WISH to come to that conclusion.
 
German, everyone knows those white kids were just there to honor the USA, not watch this "foozeball game". LOL

Quit watching the liberal media, man! Rush and Beck have covered this!




That's great logic you've used there, Caine. Oh wait, you didn't. Isn't it you making the assumption that you can tell racism better from behind your computer screen than the entire auditorium who was there?

And yeah, I would infer the coach thought it was racist, unless you think he just hates America.

Well, I apologize that Im going use the same standard in accusing people of racism that is used in a court...... Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Not..... "Because being proud of America in front of those of latino ethnicity is evil"
 
So because they did not coordinate in showing American pride with the other team then they must be identifying their team as American instead of just chanting?

What event inspired this American pride? The defeat of the hispanic AMERICAN high school team?
 
So, what about the game a bit earlier? The same situation - a mostly white school vs a mostly Hispanic school - and they began chanting "USA" and "Arizona"? What about that, Caine? Were they chanting for the USS Arizona?

Well, I apologize that Im going use the same standard in accusing people of racism that is used in a court...... Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Not..... "Because being proud of America in front of those of latino ethnicity is evil"

Court only uses "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. In tort and assessing damages, which is basically what we are doing, common sense can prevail. I suggest you learn to use it.
 
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Yes, There is competition. But that doesn't mean the crowd is a part of it. Ive been to plenty of high school sports matches to work the event.... I see both home and away sides showing good sportsmanship and cheering each other on, especially during an injury (not saying there is one here). But if people were so polarized as you are making them out to be at all times at sports events.... wouldn't they boo when the injured opposing player got back up and limped off the field conscious???



So because they did not coordinate in showing American pride with the other team then they must be identifying their team as American instead of just chanting?

So what is next? All the fans are racist against Juan Pablo Montoya at a NASCAR race because the crowd is involved in a display of Patriotism????


Its a huge stretch of assumptions with little to no basis except that you WISH to come to that conclusion.

I have no idea what the people chanting in that match had in mind. All I am saying is that I understand very well why people would assume it was motivated by anti-hispanic bigotry.

That's because suggesting that other fellow Americans are not real Americans, just because they are hispanic/black/Jewish/Italian/whatever is bigotry. All of these ethnic groups are part of America and many of them have contributed a lot to the nation. I understand why they'd feel offended if someone questioned their national loyalty.
 
Really? I've yet to see a reasonable explanation for the predominately hispanic team not joining in. There was no reason for them not to. It speaks volumes that they didn't, and about what their high school is teaching them about the US, they were also an 'American' team supposedly so, just maybe, you've answered your own question on why, you just find the answer inconvenient.

There was plenty of reason for them not to, and it doesn't say a thing about them personally or what their school is teaching them: Human beings do not respond to non-sequiturs by blindly embracing them. They freeze, **** their heads, and emit, "Whiskey tango foxtrot?!" Have you ever seen a video where a flash-mob started pulling some stunt and the hapless passers-by joined in at first glance? No. When the human brain encounters something like this, it tries to place what it is witnessing in the context of experience and social convention. Now, sometimes there's just no hope of doing any such thing, at which point the brain does its best to guess an appropriate reaction like anger or amusement or fear. The person then experiencing that feeling won't be able to put their finger on why they are feeling it, but feel it they shall.

Now, in the case of something like this, you really have to put yourself in the place of the on-lookers. Okay, let's see -- white kids over there, latino kids over there. You're in Texas, which has been the site of a variety of controversies involving white kids and latino kids and the Mexican flag and the American flag and school parades here and school parades there and so on and so on. I'm not saying that the white student population of Texas and the latino student population of Texas are at war -- that would be a hyperbole of Fat Albert proportions -- but there is definitely tension there. There's enough tension there that when crap like this goes down, none of us are surprised that it happened in a border state like Texas.

Those kids, white and latino both, live in that culture of tension, and any claim of ignorance of it on their part is an insult to the intelligence of their audience. Such a claim seeks to take the context out of the situation, and then hold up the bare-bones version and ask what the problem is. It's like referring to the President by his full name -- culturally, most of us don't refer to each other, our elected officials or anybody else by their full name, and yet we're expected to believe that it is done with all innocence with regards to the President. Never mind the fact that his middle name is in common with a certain late Iraqi dictator's first. Hell, I have a cousin by that name who used to be called "Insane Hussein" only because America was going toe-to-toe with Iraq at the time. What bull****.

Context is everything. You can't remove the context and play dumb in the hopes that the rest of us are that stupid. Context is the difference between my favorite friendly greeting to my best friend ("hello, mother****er") and a dire insult ("you mother****er").

If you're still confused, here's some suggested reading on the subject of perception:

https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/
 
What event inspired this American pride? The defeat of the hispanic AMERICAN high school team?

I don't know... You don't know....

You choose to make the assumption that gets you to the desired result.

I choose to leave the knowledge as unknown.
 
So, what about the game a bit earlier? The same situation - a mostly white school vs a mostly Hispanic school - and they began chanting "USA" and "Arizona"? What about that, Caine? Were they chanting for the USS Arizona?



Court only uses "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. In tort and assessing damages, which is basically what we are doing, common sense can prevail. I suggest you learn to use it.

Sorry, Can't accuse someone of being racist based on emotional conditioning done by Media Outlets trying to make money by shoving racism down your throat at every eyeroll at a black person or waiving of the American flag within 6 blocks of a Hispanic.
 
I have no idea what the people chanting in that match had in mind. All I am saying is that I understand very well why people would assume it was motivated by anti-hispanic bigotry.
Oh me too... Its because hypersensitivity is taught as acceptable behavior.
 
Sorry, Can't accuse someone of being racist based on emotional conditioning done by Media Outlets trying to make money by shoving racism down your throat at every eyeroll at a black person or waiving of the American flag within 6 blocks of a Hispanic.

None of that has anything to do with the situation. Stay on topic, sir.
 
I don't know... You don't know....

You choose to make the assumption that gets you to the desired result.

I choose to leave the knowledge as unknown.

no, you're obviously being obtuse, forcefully ignoring what has been the most obvious.

It's clear that the chanting of USA was an insinuation that the other team are un-American, despite being an American high school team.
 
None of that has anything to do with the situation. Stay on topic, sir.

Making an assumption from an expression of "USA"

It takes alot more assumptions to believe it was racist than it was just an expression of American Pride.
 
no, you're obviously being obtuse, forcefully ignoring what has been the most obvious.

It's clear that the chanting of USA was an insinuation that the other team are un-American, despite being an American high school team.

How it is clear without making assumptions??????
 
Making an assumption from an expression of "USA"

It takes alot more assumptions to believe it was racist than it was just an expression of American Pride.

What about a chant of "Arizona"? The last time a white school played a Hispanic school and a USA chant broke out, they also chanted Arizona. How do you patriotize that, Cain?
 
So, no answer?

If you are going to ignore my allegedly off topic comments.... I am going to ignore your "new and improved" scenario that didn't happen in this instance...
 
If you are going to ignore my allegedly off topic comments.... I am going to ignore your "new and improved" scenario that didn't happen in this instance...

You're just accusing the media of being too liberal and shoving racism down people's throats... I am showing another situation that happened not long ago.

Do you think that situation was racist or not, Caine?
 
You're just accusing the media of being too liberal and shoving racism down people's throats... I am showing another situation that happened not long ago.

Do you think that situation was racist or not, Caine?

Were they in Arizona?
 
How it is clear without making assumptions??????

Like I said, if there's only one assumption, then we can state with a significant degree of certainty that it was factual.

Can you provide any other reasonable assumptions we can have that will explain why the school started chanting USA?
 
Ah well, a few more pages along and the knee-jerk, reactionary nonsense is still based entirely on the assumption that because the students who chanted 'USA' were alledgedly white, and since all whites are automatically racist, it was a racist chant ... Perfect logic, and don't forget some education bureaucrat slobbered all over itself 'apologizing' for a non-existent 'insult', so that's also 'proof', too!!! lol..

So, the only racism that can be proved with absolute certainty is, of course, mindless whitey hate.

The fact that they were chanting 'USA', needless to say, is even more offensive; everybody knows America is the worst country on Earth, and entirely responsible for all evil around the globe, so that has to be punished, more so than anything else, because we know that all hispanics hate this country with a deep passion, you see ...

Thanks for playing. Now we can all be entertained by the coming witch hunt for the kids who started the chant (we just know it was white kids, don't we?), followed, naturally, by their being expelled for nothing other than as a sacrifice to a lynch mob of racist morons with nothing better to do than snivel over this non-issue.
 
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Ah well, a few more pages along and the knee-jerk, reactionary nonsense is still based entirely on the assumption that because the students who chanted 'USA' were alledgedly white

Seems like you are mixing up others with yourself, since most people aren't using "knee-jerk" nonsense except you. The rest of us are using eyewitness testimony, logic, and facts. The only thing you and the other oblivious people here are doing is focusing on the chant and removing all context.
 
So blame the labor racketeers who continue to let millions of criminal illegal aliens swarm over the borders for no other reason than to drive down wages and bankrupt social services.
 
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