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"Hispanic" is not a race, not in the same sense as white and black are. White people tend to all see each other as white, same with blacks, but with "Hispanics" it's a whole 'nother ball game. For example, in my experience, there's absolutely no sense of solidarity between Mexicans and Cubans. (Speaking as a Cuban, here.) This is why people are spewing nonsense when they claim Marco Rubio would draw some Hispanics into the Republican camp. He'd probably drive away more of them than he'd bring.
In certain circumstances, (for census-taking for example), because Hispanic is such an amorphous term it is sometimes considered a race or ethnicity (much like "Muslim" was considered an ethnicity in Communist Bosnia), but from the point of genetics and biology, there's no way all Hispanics belong to the same ethnic group, as you have white, black, and mestizo Hispanics. Examples of people I would consider to be ethnic groups falling under the umbrella of "Hispanic" include Castilians, Catalans, maybe the Basque, some Amerindian tribes who have adopted aspects of Spanish culture, etc.
Edit: Also, your link, WSS, makes it clear that the census itself considers Hispanic to be a group of ethnicities - notice the words "Hispanics by ethnicity" which include Puerto Rican, Argentine, etc.
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.
As a 'hispanic'...
I'll drop it at racist.
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.
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Try reading instead of falling for liberal talkiing points. Race and ethnicity are different.
I think the motivation to chant USA is readily apparent, that is pride in being an American, which btw, includes people of all different races and ethnicities.it all depends on the motivation behind the chant, right?
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.
Exactly. But my point being, even if it was broken into different ethnicities, it is still considered "racism" by definition (just to stay on topic of Wake's thread).
I think the motivation to chant USA is readily apparent, that is pride in being an American, which btw, includes people of all different races and ethnicities.
My point was i don't care what it's called, bigotry in any form should not be tolerated no matter whether its "racism" or "ethnicism" or whatever you may call it. We're simply playing word games here now. That's my $0.02.
I think it's stupid that the students broke out in such a chant, as both teams were from the USA, but that's just me :shrug: obviously there was something else going on there besides simple school pride.
Then the other team should have joined in the chant. Why should a chant of USA be antagonistic to anyone in the US?
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.
Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.
Wouldn't this be more appropriate at the Olympics? What precisely is the motivation for chanting it at a high school game where both sides are from the same side of the border? I'll allow for the possibility that it was innocent (much like singing the national anthem before a basketball game at any level), but at the same time it's also entire probable that something more sinister was at work. Who really knows?
Then the other team should have joined in the chant.
Why should a chant of USA be antagonistic to anyone in the US?
Maybe you all should get together and write a rule book that we can refer to about when it's ok to chant USA and when it's not. LOL
Did I miss where this was the Special Olympics and they were cheering everybody because they all tried real good?
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.
Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.
Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.
No, no, you win. Chanting USA is now exactly the same thing as chanting, "Heil Hitler"
Or worse even - saying the Pledge of Allegiance! OMG!
Maybe the problem isn't so much how people meant it, as how people took it. I live somewhere where there's a large Mexican cultural influence. I see Mexican flags and bumper stickers and little pro-Mexico dangly things on rear view mirrors, and it's never occurred to me to take offense at any of it.Once again, beside the point. It's not about when it's "okay" to chant USA, it's about why such a chant occurred in that particular context and the motivations behind it.