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Racism against Hispanics?

Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?


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What I want to know is whether or not it is racist to insult an ethnicity.

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"Hispanic" is not a race, not in the same sense as white and black are. White people tend to all see each other as white, same with blacks, but with "Hispanics" it's a whole 'nother ball game. For example, in my experience, there's absolutely no sense of solidarity between Mexicans and Cubans. (Speaking as a Cuban, here.) This is why people are spewing nonsense when they claim Marco Rubio would draw some Hispanics into the Republican camp. He'd probably drive away more of them than he'd bring.

so true lol.
 
In certain circumstances, (for census-taking for example), because Hispanic is such an amorphous term it is sometimes considered a race or ethnicity (much like "Muslim" was considered an ethnicity in Communist Bosnia), but from the point of genetics and biology, there's no way all Hispanics belong to the same ethnic group, as you have white, black, and mestizo Hispanics. Examples of people I would consider to be ethnic groups falling under the umbrella of "Hispanic" include Castilians, Catalans, maybe the Basque, some Amerindian tribes who have adopted aspects of Spanish culture, etc.

Edit: Also, your link, WSS, makes it clear that the census itself considers Hispanic to be a group of ethnicities - notice the words "Hispanics by ethnicity" which include Puerto Rican, Argentine, etc.

Exactly. But my point being, even if it was broken into different ethnicities, it is still considered "racism" by definition (just to stay on topic of Wake's thread).
 
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.
 
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.

I think it's stupid that the students broke out in such a chant, as both teams were from the USA, but that's just me :shrug: obviously there was something else going on there besides simple school pride.
 
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it all depends on the motivation behind the chant, right?
I think the motivation to chant USA is readily apparent, that is pride in being an American, which btw, includes people of all different races and ethnicities.
 
I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.

You don't believe in context? Sure, a USA chant sounds nice, but if it's intent is really "**** you, go back to Mexico", then it's not quite as nice.
 
Exactly. But my point being, even if it was broken into different ethnicities, it is still considered "racism" by definition (just to stay on topic of Wake's thread).

My point was i don't care what it's called, bigotry in any form should not be tolerated no matter whether its "racism" or "ethnicism" or whatever you may call it. We're simply playing word games here now. That's my $0.02.
 
I think the motivation to chant USA is readily apparent, that is pride in being an American, which btw, includes people of all different races and ethnicities.

Wouldn't this be more appropriate at the Olympics? What precisely is the motivation for chanting it at a high school game where both sides are from the same side of the border? I'll allow for the possibility that it was innocent (much like singing the national anthem before a basketball game at any level), but at the same time it's also entire probable that something more sinister was at work. Who really knows?
 
My point was i don't care what it's called, bigotry in any form should not be tolerated no matter whether its "racism" or "ethnicism" or whatever you may call it. We're simply playing word games here now. That's my $0.02.

I agree, actually. It's just that between this thread and the lawyer's joke about Obama... they've got me resorting to pulling out dictionaries just to resolve simple, obvious arguments.
 
I think it's stupid that the students broke out in such a chant, as both teams were from the USA, but that's just me :shrug: obviously there was something else going on there besides simple school pride.

Then the other team should have joined in the chant. Why should a chant of USA be antagonistic to anyone in the US?
 
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.

Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.
 
Then the other team should have joined in the chant. Why should a chant of USA be antagonistic to anyone in the US?

Did I miss where this was the Special Olympics and they were cheering everybody because they all tried real good?
 
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.

Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.

Best to just dissolve affirmative action and make like it was just a bad bout of the squirts we had for the last 10 years or so.
 
Wouldn't this be more appropriate at the Olympics? What precisely is the motivation for chanting it at a high school game where both sides are from the same side of the border? I'll allow for the possibility that it was innocent (much like singing the national anthem before a basketball game at any level), but at the same time it's also entire probable that something more sinister was at work. Who really knows?

Maybe you all should get together and write a rule book that we can refer to about when it's ok to chant USA and when it's not. LOL
 
Then the other team should have joined in the chant.

That's hardly the point.

Why should a chant of USA be antagonistic to anyone in the US?

It may perhaps have been a display of prejudice, viewing the Latino players on the other team as alien or "the other." It's just peculiar that such a chant would crop up at a high school basketball game, where people usually cheer for the team.
 
Maybe you all should get together and write a rule book that we can refer to about when it's ok to chant USA and when it's not. LOL

Once again, beside the point. It's not about when it's "okay" to chant USA, it's about why such a chant occurred in that particular context and the motivations behind it.
 
Fine, you guys win. There is no racism anymore.

Next person that says affirmative action is reverse racism gets smacked.

No, no, you win. Chanting USA is now exactly the same thing as chanting, "Heil Hitler"
 
No, no, you win. Chanting USA is now exactly the same thing as chanting, "Heil Hitler"

Or worse even - saying the Pledge of Allegiance! OMG!
 
Or worse even - saying the Pledge of Allegiance! OMG!

That would be the gayest "Go Team" ever. Who knew republicans were such douchebags? I vow to never go to a sporting event with a republican. I don't want to be seen with the weird guy starting USA chants and trying to get people to say the National Anthem while Cam Newton is breaking out for a 40-yard touchdown run.

You guys can keep that ****.
 
Once again, beside the point. It's not about when it's "okay" to chant USA, it's about why such a chant occurred in that particular context and the motivations behind it.
Maybe the problem isn't so much how people meant it, as how people took it. I live somewhere where there's a large Mexican cultural influence. I see Mexican flags and bumper stickers and little pro-Mexico dangly things on rear view mirrors, and it's never occurred to me to take offense at any of it.
 
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