View Poll Results: Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?

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Thread: Racism against Hispanics?

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Spot on!

    It doesn't really matter if you call it "racism", "ethnic prejudice", "chauvinism" or "xenophobia" -- when the sentiments behind it are the same as in case of racism, it doesn't matter how you call it, it's just as bad.
    its possible, that threads like these are kind of a red herring. they may be suggesting that since Hispanic isn't a race, which means hatred against Hispanics isn't really "racism", then prejudice against Hispanics isn't as big a deal.

    I don't know if that's the intent of the thread, but its possible.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Guys, do some research. If we want to be accurate, Hispanics are neither an ethnicity nor a race (although for practical purposes we sometimes include them as a race category). Neither is being Muslim a race or an ethnicity for that matter.

    And while it might not be accurate to call it "racism," there is certainly bigotry against Latinos/Hispanics. This entire thread has becoming an idiotic semantic debate.
    Uhh, dude, Hispanic is an ethnicity.

    http://www.csrees.usda.gov/nea/food/...race_codes.pdf
    Hispanic or Latino. A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or
    Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
    The term "Spanish origin" can be used in addition to "Hispanic or Latino".
    Not Hispanic or Latino. All other ethnicities.
    Distribution of Hispanic Medical School Graduates by Hispanic Ethnicity, 2011

    Not to be a dick, but I got it right from the beginning.
    Last edited by whysoserious; 03-07-12 at 07:36 PM.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Uhh, dude, Hispanic is an ethnicity...
    that, is debatable. as many Hispanics have no actual Spanish origin. Like folks in Argentina who are descended from Italians, Germans, or Ashkenazi Jews. as well as the people of Venice, who are considered Hispanic due to they being a former Spanish colony, but they of course don't speak Spanish.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    "Hispanic" is not a race, not in the same sense as white and black are. White people tend to all see each other as white, same with blacks, but with "Hispanics" it's a whole 'nother ball game. For example, in my experience, there's absolutely no sense of solidarity between Mexicans and Cubans. (Speaking as a Cuban, here.) This is why people are spewing nonsense when they claim Marco Rubio would draw some Hispanics into the Republican camp. He'd probably drive away more of them than he'd bring.
    Last edited by Black_Zawisza; 03-07-12 at 09:16 PM.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Uhh, dude, Hispanic is an ethnicity.

    http://www.csrees.usda.gov/nea/food/...race_codes.pdf


    Distribution of Hispanic Medical School Graduates by Hispanic Ethnicity, 2011

    Not to be a dick, but I got it right from the beginning.
    In certain circumstances, (for census-taking for example), because Hispanic is such an amorphous term it is sometimes considered a race or ethnicity (much like "Muslim" was considered an ethnicity in Communist Bosnia), but from the point of genetics and biology, there's no way all Hispanics belong to the same ethnic group, as you have white, black, and mestizo Hispanics. Examples of people I would consider to be ethnic groups falling under the umbrella of "Hispanic" include Castilians, Catalans, maybe the Basque, some Amerindian tribes who have adopted aspects of Spanish culture, etc.

    Edit: Also, your link, WSS, makes it clear that the census itself considers Hispanic to be a group of ethnicities - notice the words "Hispanics by ethnicity" which include Puerto Rican, Argentine, etc.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What I want to know is whether or not it is racist to insult an ethnicity.
    Your poll is missing an option:

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    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    "Hispanic" is not a race, not in the same sense as white and black are. White people tend to all see each other as white, same with blacks, but with "Hispanics" it's a whole 'nother ball game. For example, in my experience, there's absolutely no sense of solidarity between Mexicans and Cubans. (Speaking as a Cuban, here.) This is why people are spewing nonsense when they claim Marco Rubio would draw some Hispanics into the Republican camp. He'd probably drive away more of them than he'd bring.
    so true lol.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In certain circumstances, (for census-taking for example), because Hispanic is such an amorphous term it is sometimes considered a race or ethnicity (much like "Muslim" was considered an ethnicity in Communist Bosnia), but from the point of genetics and biology, there's no way all Hispanics belong to the same ethnic group, as you have white, black, and mestizo Hispanics. Examples of people I would consider to be ethnic groups falling under the umbrella of "Hispanic" include Castilians, Catalans, maybe the Basque, some Amerindian tribes who have adopted aspects of Spanish culture, etc.

    Edit: Also, your link, WSS, makes it clear that the census itself considers Hispanic to be a group of ethnicities - notice the words "Hispanics by ethnicity" which include Puerto Rican, Argentine, etc.
    Exactly. But my point being, even if it was broken into different ethnicities, it is still considered "racism" by definition (just to stay on topic of Wake's thread).
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I just think it's sad that a chant of USA, in the USA, results in an apology and punishment.
    it all depends on the motivation behind the chant, right?

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