View Poll Results: Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Yes, There is competition. But that doesn't mean the crowd is a part of it. Ive been to plenty of high school sports matches to work the event.... I see both home and away sides showing good sportsmanship and cheering each other on, especially during an injury (not saying there is one here). But if people were so polarized as you are making them out to be at all times at sports events.... wouldn't they boo when the injured opposing player got back up and limped off the field conscious???



    So because they did not coordinate in showing American pride with the other team then they must be identifying their team as American instead of just chanting?

    So what is next? All the fans are racist against Juan Pablo Montoya at a NASCAR race because the crowd is involved in a display of Patriotism????


    Its a huge stretch of assumptions with little to no basis except that you WISH to come to that conclusion.
    I have no idea what the people chanting in that match had in mind. All I am saying is that I understand very well why people would assume it was motivated by anti-hispanic bigotry.

    That's because suggesting that other fellow Americans are not real Americans, just because they are hispanic/black/Jewish/Italian/whatever is bigotry. All of these ethnic groups are part of America and many of them have contributed a lot to the nation. I understand why they'd feel offended if someone questioned their national loyalty.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Really? I've yet to see a reasonable explanation for the predominately hispanic team not joining in. There was no reason for them not to. It speaks volumes that they didn't, and about what their high school is teaching them about the US, they were also an 'American' team supposedly so, just maybe, you've answered your own question on why, you just find the answer inconvenient.
    There was plenty of reason for them not to, and it doesn't say a thing about them personally or what their school is teaching them: Human beings do not respond to non-sequiturs by blindly embracing them. They freeze, cock their heads, and emit, "Whiskey tango foxtrot?!" Have you ever seen a video where a flash-mob started pulling some stunt and the hapless passers-by joined in at first glance? No. When the human brain encounters something like this, it tries to place what it is witnessing in the context of experience and social convention. Now, sometimes there's just no hope of doing any such thing, at which point the brain does its best to guess an appropriate reaction like anger or amusement or fear. The person then experiencing that feeling won't be able to put their finger on why they are feeling it, but feel it they shall.

    Now, in the case of something like this, you really have to put yourself in the place of the on-lookers. Okay, let's see -- white kids over there, latino kids over there. You're in Texas, which has been the site of a variety of controversies involving white kids and latino kids and the Mexican flag and the American flag and school parades here and school parades there and so on and so on. I'm not saying that the white student population of Texas and the latino student population of Texas are at war -- that would be a hyperbole of Fat Albert proportions -- but there is definitely tension there. There's enough tension there that when crap like this goes down, none of us are surprised that it happened in a border state like Texas.

    Those kids, white and latino both, live in that culture of tension, and any claim of ignorance of it on their part is an insult to the intelligence of their audience. Such a claim seeks to take the context out of the situation, and then hold up the bare-bones version and ask what the problem is. It's like referring to the President by his full name -- culturally, most of us don't refer to each other, our elected officials or anybody else by their full name, and yet we're expected to believe that it is done with all innocence with regards to the President. Never mind the fact that his middle name is in common with a certain late Iraqi dictator's first. Hell, I have a cousin by that name who used to be called "Insane Hussein" only because America was going toe-to-toe with Iraq at the time. What bull****.

    Context is everything. You can't remove the context and play dumb in the hopes that the rest of us are that stupid. Context is the difference between my favorite friendly greeting to my best friend ("hello, mother****er") and a dire insult ("you mother****er").

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    https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    What event inspired this American pride? The defeat of the hispanic AMERICAN high school team?
    I don't know... You don't know....

    You choose to make the assumption that gets you to the desired result.

    I choose to leave the knowledge as unknown.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So, what about the game a bit earlier? The same situation - a mostly white school vs a mostly Hispanic school - and they began chanting "USA" and "Arizona"? What about that, Caine? Were they chanting for the USS Arizona?



    Court only uses "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. In tort and assessing damages, which is basically what we are doing, common sense can prevail. I suggest you learn to use it.
    Sorry, Can't accuse someone of being racist based on emotional conditioning done by Media Outlets trying to make money by shoving racism down your throat at every eyeroll at a black person or waiving of the American flag within 6 blocks of a Hispanic.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I have no idea what the people chanting in that match had in mind. All I am saying is that I understand very well why people would assume it was motivated by anti-hispanic bigotry.
    Oh me too... Its because hypersensitivity is taught as acceptable behavior.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Sorry, Can't accuse someone of being racist based on emotional conditioning done by Media Outlets trying to make money by shoving racism down your throat at every eyeroll at a black person or waiving of the American flag within 6 blocks of a Hispanic.
    None of that has anything to do with the situation. Stay on topic, sir.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't know... You don't know....

    You choose to make the assumption that gets you to the desired result.

    I choose to leave the knowledge as unknown.
    no, you're obviously being obtuse, forcefully ignoring what has been the most obvious.

    It's clear that the chanting of USA was an insinuation that the other team are un-American, despite being an American high school team.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    None of that has anything to do with the situation. Stay on topic, sir.
    Making an assumption from an expression of "USA"

    It takes alot more assumptions to believe it was racist than it was just an expression of American Pride.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    no, you're obviously being obtuse, forcefully ignoring what has been the most obvious.

    It's clear that the chanting of USA was an insinuation that the other team are un-American, despite being an American high school team.
    How it is clear without making assumptions??????
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Making an assumption from an expression of "USA"

    It takes alot more assumptions to believe it was racist than it was just an expression of American Pride.
    What about a chant of "Arizona"? The last time a white school played a Hispanic school and a USA chant broke out, they also chanted Arizona. How do you patriotize that, Cain?
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