View Poll Results: Is it racist to be bigoted rude/insulting against Hispanics?

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    THOUGHT...

    THOUGHT....

    That is what is bothering me.


    People are quick and easy to get offended.

    I bet If I put an American Flag up on my front door, the hispanic folks down the street would suddenly be offended.

    When it comes to latinos, anything about the USA is apparently offensive for some god damned reason.

    But thats beside the fact, just because someone thinks something is racist does not make it so...... people have been trained for the last decade to be quick and ready to be offended at everything, even if there is no intent to do so.

    There could have been any number of reasons not explained why they decided to chant USA........... But what do people do? Immediately jump to the race card.

    I put the same burden of proof on accusations of racism that one should put on the state when proving a crime in court..... Beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Hell, with this information, you barely have reasonable suspicion.
    So an entire team leaves feeling deflated and offended, the school apologizes, and everyone feels bad, and your first thought is "they're probably just oversensitive liberals!"? That seems a little egotistical and condescending of you.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    I will give you this:

    Students from Schools at Center of 'USA' Chant Uproar Speak Out - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation
    RYAN WALSH, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: I mean, although I think some of the students could have meant it in that way, the vast majority did not.


    I agree with that statement by one of the students at the high school where the chanting occurred. I would be willing to bet that most of the kids were just innocently chanting USA. Another kid said the same thing:

    CARLOS FUENTES, ALAMO HEIGHTS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Whatever the chant is, I mean, you can always find something negative about it. And I do believe that at the very core of the chant, the beginning students, I believe they meant it in an offensive way, but that the rest of the audience that caught on for the few short minutes that it happened didn't mean it in that sense, didn't mean it in any way except, We're so excited that we won, you know, just ecstatic students.



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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So an entire team leaves feeling deflated and offended, the school apologizes, and everyone feels bad, and your first thought is "they're probably just oversensitive liberals!"? That seems a little egotistical and condescending of you.
    Egotistical is requiring everyone to explain why they chant USA while in the USA so your delicate latino sensibilities won't be offended.

    Contrary to oversensitive liberal belief, not everything someone says or does to or even NEAR you is because of what ethnicity you are.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    THOUGHT...

    THOUGHT....

    That is what is bothering me.


    People are quick and easy to get offended.

    I bet If I put an American Flag up on my front door, the hispanic folks down the street would suddenly be offended.

    When it comes to latinos, anything about the USA is apparently offensive for some god damned reason.

    But thats beside the fact, just because someone thinks something is racist does not make it so...... people have been trained for the last decade to be quick and ready to be offended at everything, even if there is no intent to do so.

    There could have been any number of reasons not explained why they decided to chant USA........... But what do people do? Immediately jump to the race card.

    I put the same burden of proof on accusations of racism that one should put on the state when proving a crime in court..... Beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Hell, with this information, you barely have reasonable suspicion.
    I think you are missing the point.

    I understand why chanting "USA" against a team of Americans is perceived as bigoted when these Americans happen to be hispanics: That's because when the chant "USA" has the intention of cheering on a predominantly white American team against an equally American, but predominantly hispanic team, the implication is obvious: Those who chant believe Hispanics are not real Americans.

    It wouldn't be bigoted if the hispanic team was not American. Then the chant "USA" would mean cheering on the American team against a non-American team.

    But if that hispanic team is American too, the message is: "Hispanics are not real Americans". And that *is* ethnic bigotry (or racism, if hispanics are a race).
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I will give you this:

    Students from Schools at Center of 'USA' Chant Uproar Speak Out - War On Patriotism - Fox Nation


    I agree with that statement by one of the students at the high school where the chanting occurred. I would be willing to bet that most of the kids were just innocently chanting USA. Another kid said the same thing:




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    And you don't think those students are saying that about the "beginning students" because they have been trained by the media and school from birth to believe this "Politically Correct" bull**** from birth?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Egotistical is requiring everyone to explain why they chant USA while in the USA so your delicate latino sensibilities won't be offended.

    Contrary to oversensitive liberal belief, not everything someone says or does to or even NEAR you is because of what ethnicity you are.
    No, I just expect people to not act ignorant to protect their own beliefs. I go to more sporting events than most people, and I have can honestly say I have never once heard a USA chant. Never. Not once. The people there say they thought it was malicious. The school admitted it. The Hispanic kids thought it was.

    You? Well, who cares what you think?


    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And you don't think those students are saying that about the "beginning students" because they have been trained by the media and school from birth to believe this "Politically Correct" bull**** from birth?
    Yeah, the "liberal media"! I forgot about that! LOLOL.

    You guys crack me up man.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Would you want information about you being a racist all over the effing news because someone made an.... assumption?
    If there's only one other assumption, it's logical to call it factual with a significant degree of certainty.
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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think you are missing the point.

    I understand why chanting "USA" against a team of Americans is perceived as bigoted when these Americans happen to be hispanics:
    Against? So any time you chant something at a sports game its to be AGAINST something else. It HAS to be in opposition? You are already looking at this in the light most favorable to the accusation of racism.

    That's because when the chant "USA" has the intention of cheering on a predominantly white American team against an equally American, but predominantly hispanic team, the implication is obvious: Those chanting believe Hispanics are not real Americans.
    Wow, talk about a crockload of more stupid ass assumptions..... 1. Prove the intent you claimed. 2. Prove the "obvious" implication with something more than an assumption in the light most favorable to the accusations of racism.

    Maybe the racist is the person who is assuming someone who is white MUST believe hispanics aren't real americans?


    It wouldn't be bigoted if the hispanic team was not American. Then the chant "USA" would mean cheering on the American team against a non-American team.

    But if that hispanic team is American too, the message is: "Hispanics are not real Americans". And that *is* ethnic bigotry (or racism, if hispanics are a race).[/QUOTE]
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    If there's only one other assumption, it's logical to call it factual with a significant degree of certainty.
    No. Its character assassination in the name of Political Correctness.

    Its bull****.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Racism against Hispanics?

    Here is more for Caine:

    High school basketball fans accused of racism for "USA" chant - Sports Blog - CBS News
    San Antonio (Texas) Edison High School - whose student body is 96 percent Hispanic - filed a complaint about the incident with the University Interscholastic League, the governing body of Texas public high school extracurricular activities.
    They thought it was racist.

    Alamo Heights boys basketball coach Andrew Brewer moved quickly to end the chanting, but the damage was already done.
    He thought it was racist.

    "I appreciate Coach Brewer taking the action he took to stop it," San Antonio Independent School District athletics director Gil Garza told KENS. "Our kids try real hard and work extra hard to get to the regional tournament, and then we have to worry about them being subjected to this kind of insensitivity."
    This guy thought it was racist.

    "Obviously we were disappointed that this happened," Alamo Heights superintendent Kevin Brown told KENS. "That's not who we are as a community and that's not who we are as a school. It's not something that's acceptable for us. Our kids are very respectable. We have to remember that they're teenagers, and kids make mistakes."
    This guy, too!

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    But who gives a ****. Caine, a guy who wasn't there and has clearly shown his bipartisanship in the past (LOL) disagrees for no apparent reason other than he loves the USA and wants to hang a flag outside of his house! ****ing liberal media!
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