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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    To be honest, I would be more suspicious of those who want to restrict government participation to only those like themselves. Too much like the wolf guarding the hen house. Less opportunity for checks and balances.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They have the right to petitution their government but they most certianly have no business demanding those who pay should pay more when they themselves pay no federal income taxes at all.
    How, legally, would you differentiate between people writing to their representatives on subjects you approve of and writing to their representatives on tax policy, and how would you reconcile such a law with the first amendment?

    You're starting to sound a whole lot like the left-wingers who want to make sure that only the "right" people own and carry guns.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    I've just realized that since you only pay the taxes you're legally required to pay, you could literally disenfranchise or enfranchise whole groups of people by changing the way federal income taxes work. Then if people who wanted to vote would either pay a special tax, a poll tax if you will, or would just be **** out of luck because there unable to pay federal income tax because they aren't required to, and therefore unable to vote!

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    To be honest, I would be more suspicious of those who want to restrict government participation to only those like themselves. Too much like the wolf guarding the hen house. Less opportunity for checks and balances.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    How, legally, would you differentiate between people writing to their representatives on subjects you approve of and writing to their representatives on tax policy, and how would you reconcile such a law with the first amendment?

    You're starting to sound a whole lot like the left-wingers who want to make sure that only the "right" people own and carry guns.

    I have no desire to restrict anyone who is a legal citizen from government participation. My beef is people who don't pay any federal income tax wanting those who do pay federal income taxes to pay more.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Anyone who thinks that the poor shouldn't have a voice in government is basically advocating for crony capitalism / oligarchy. You guys might want to look into moving to Russia, as Vladimir Putin seems like the world leader who best embodies your political views. Russia has given the world a good example of what happens when the rich are allowed to run the government without input from anyone else, and the results are not pretty.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have no desire to restrict anyone who is a legal citizen from government participation. My beef is people who don't pay any federal income tax wanting those who do pay federal income taxes to pay more.
    Actually, your stated beef was: "Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay?" You seemed to define "dictate" to include such actions as calling, writing to, and confronting one's elected officials. The whole point of the poll was to ask if those who do not pay Federal income taxes have a right to do such things.

    So, I'll ask again: How, legally, would you differentiate between people writing to their representatives on subjects you approve of and writing to their representatives on tax policy, and how would you reconcile such a law with the first amendment?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The real solution is a tax system that does not allow such activity. IE a flat income tax where everyone pays the same rate or better yet a consumption tax
    Or if you even want to keep it "progressive", one in which there is a single base rate that can change...but each bracket has a set % increase over the base that can't be change.

    Essentially a system where you can't increase, or decrease, the taxes of only a few brackets. You either do it to all of them or to none of them.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have no desire to restrict anyone who is a legal citizen from government participation. My beef is people who don't pay any federal income tax wanting those who do pay federal income taxes to pay more.
    Is your position just about taxes or does it extend to other government influence, for example heterosexuals wanting homosexuals to live a certain way, or men deciding on issues affecting women's health or contraception? I mean if you don't think those who pay no federal income tax should have a say in how much that tax is, should those who aren't gay be deciding how gay people should live?

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay? Seems to be a fair question. Seeing how 50% of American households pay no federal income taxes is it fair for these people to demand that others who do pay income taxes pay more?
    Frankly, this is the most obvious reason that we should never have started social welfare programs of any type, including SS and Medicare. This has become a divisive point in the voting population, because we no longer vote for what we believe would be the most beneficial for all the population, but many people vote based on personal greed. Iow- they vote for the politicians who promise to take from one to give to the other.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Is your position just about taxes or does it extend to other government influence, for example heterosexuals wanting homosexuals to live a certain way, or men deciding on issues affecting women's health or contraception? I mean if you don't think those who pay no federal income tax should have a say in how much that tax is, should those who aren't gay be deciding how gay people should live?
    It seems like that thinking should also extend to women and abortions.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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