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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm assuming I'm on ignore, so perhaps somebody else can help me out here.

    What was Ramen disagreeing with from my post, exactly? I'm not even sure how his point relates to the one I made.
    I can't speak to what Ramen was thinking or what he meant, but my observation is that he misunderstood what you meant in your post. One cannot legitimately disagree with something that was misunderstood in the first place. His posts are usually interesting and on point, so that's what I base my speculation upon.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Here's my best shot at an abridged transcript:

    tessaesque: I don't think it's okay to ask someone who makes more money than I do to pay still more tax money to support services I use, especially since my tax burden isn't too heavy and I still have room for upward mobility.

    iliveonramen: Yeah, well, let's see how you do without government services for a day!

    tessaesque: I'm not saying I want to do without government services, just that I don't feel right about asking someone better off than me to pay more for the services I use when my tax burden isn't too heavy.

    iliveonramen: But pretty much everybody uses more in services than they pay in taxes! So do you want to give up say over how those taxes are spent?!

    tessaesque: No, I'm just saying that the solution to services getting more expensive isn't to tax wealthy people more to pay the difference.

    iliveonramen: Blarg!

    /transcript


    Does that help?
    Well at least I'm not the only one who understood it that way! Also got a good LOL out of your translation.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I can't speak to what Ramen was thinking or what he meant, but my observation is that he misunderstood what you meant in your post. One cannot legitimately disagree with something that was misunderstood in the first place. His posts are usually interesting and on point, so that's what I base my speculation upon.
    That's what I was trying to get to with him/her, but I was rushed through my last post to him and then DP went down for me for like 2 hours. Not a fan of being on ignore, but I can kind of understand his frustration.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Well at least I'm not the only one who understood it that way! Also got a good LOL out of your translation.
    Drat, and I was trying to be serious.

    That was the first time I did one of those without trying to make fun of someone.

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    They have a "right" to do that in so much that they are citizens and thus have the right to speak their mind regarding their political views though voting, letters to their congressman, etc.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    I think the question is not as simple as it looks. There are many people who are retired, and on pensions,
    who paid plenty, but do not currently pay income tax.
    It does bring up a good question, about a possible conflict of interest from house members
    who a high percentage of their constituency is receiving some form of non-retiree public assistance.
    I guess you could draw congressional boundaries, based on the median income in the state,
    instead of the political party in charge of the state house.
    (I realize that gerrymandering has become a high art form, but it was never good art.)
    Last edited by longview; 03-06-12 at 05:05 PM.

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    False dilemma. The electorate doesn't get to dictate anything. The electorate gets to elect people they think will represent their interests, they tell those elected officials what they want, and then those officials have to engage in a certain amount of haggling or mud-wrestling in order to get it.

    I'll care about poor folks making demands regarding the tax brackets of the wealthy after we've fixed the system so that money doesn't buy you access to the government. It's a little silly to complain about people getting what they want because by voting for the person who will get it for them while we continue to have a system that amounts to wink-wink-nod-nod bribery.
    Precisely
    It's another one of those ABUSES of polls in that the premise is False.
    Another "when did you stop beating your wife" question.
    People in the bottom half generally have zip influence compared to just a handful of, ie, 'Steve Forbes'.

    If anyone has access/'dictation' weight beyond their number in the electorate.. it's the rich.
    We are Near Historic/Centurial LOWS on Top Marginal Income Tax Rates.. AND on Cap Gains/Divs taxes on which the rich pay most of their 15% Taxes.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...post1059220592
    So those ostensibly doing the 'dictating' aren't doing nearly as well as the top few percent in controlling Tax rates.. are they.

    Any attempt to Reverse the Class Warfare started 30 years ago by Reagan and Won/given the coup de grace by Bush with his near Halving of Cap Gains/Divs and gutting of the Estate tax, is Absurdly called 'Class Wafare' (now "dictating") by people who have ZERO economic history. And we're not even talking ancient history.
    If you do know the history, strings like this are mind-blowing partisan hackery.

    See http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...pay-taxes.html for a general and numerical discussion of this issue.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Voting cannot - by the US Constitution - be conneted to any payment, tax or fee. And it should never be considered. Really bad idea.
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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    The real solution is a tax system that does not allow such activity. IE a flat income tax where everyone pays the same rate or better yet a consumption tax

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    Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay? Seems to be a fair question. Seeing how 50% of American households pay no federal income taxes is it fair for these people to demand that others who do pay income taxes pay more? It always amuses me when people piss bitch and moan about the rich using the tax system to pay as low as possible of a income tax rate when many of these same people use that same tax system to not pay any federal income taxes and to sometimes get back extra.
    It always amuses me when a sizable fraction of those bitching about OTHER people not paying federal income taxes are probably in the same boat themselves, and don't even realize it. I've gotta hand it to Republicans, they've done a great job in getting people outraged that half of the population doesn't pay taxes...and everyone assumes that that half refers to someone else.

    Anyway, yes, of course other people have a right to influence tax policy, as it affects everyone. Everyone pays SOME taxes, and everyone benefits from the government in some way, so everyone has a stake in the game. And many of the people who pay the least were in some way disadvantaged, so they have every right to want their own kids to not have similar disadvantages growing up.
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