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Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay?

Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay?

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Re: Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others

jamesrage said:
Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay? ...
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How do those that order, command and control (dictate) do it?
 
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jamesrage said:
They dictate by calling,writing,emailing and faxing their elected representatives.
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Oh, I missed this. Thanks, I didn't know that the definition of dictate was calling,writing,emailing and faxing. I'll have to look up dictate again.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Good luck not using a government service for a day.....
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I didn't say anything about not using government services. I'm not sure what your point is here.
 
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jamesrage said:
They dictate by calling,writing,emailing and faxing their elected representatives.
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When I was observing a Tea Party demonstration I didn't know they were dictating. (Among other things that were interesting at the demonstration were the people carrying "NO GOV HEALTH CARE" that were paying for their healthcare with Medicare, they actually didn't know Medicare was a gov. program!)
 
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They have a right to vote, but I think it's wrong for those who don't pay to demand that others should pay and increase their rates.

It's somewhat like the homosexuality issue. People who are not homosexuals have the right to vote in order to define marriage, but it isn't right for them to deny homosexuals the ability to legally wed.
 
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Lets make half of the country into second class citizens. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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tessaesque said:
I didn't say anything about not using government services. I'm not sure what your point is here.
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My point is...that I'm sure you use more in government services than you pay in state and federal taxes. Basically everyone does. So do you think you shouldn't have a say so in the school your kid goes to? Do you think you shouldn't have a say so to make sure your roads are taken care of? How about a say so to make sure markets are regulated and you can feel safe that your 401k isn't investing in some sham? How about the fact the medication you buy is safe?

Nobody on this board pays enough in taxes to outweight the benefit they get from government. This whole topic is ridiculous.
 
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iliveonramen said:
My point is...that I'm sure you use more in government services than you pay in state and federal taxes. Basically everyone does. So do you think you shouldn't have a say so in the school your kid goes to? Do you think you shouldn't have a say so to make sure your roads are taken care of? How about a say so to make sure markets are regulated and you can feel safe that your 401k isn't investing in some sham? How about the fact the medication you buy is safe?

Nobody on this board pays enough in taxes to outweight the benefit they get from government. This whole topic is ridiculous.
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I'm not sure why you chose my post as a jumping off point for this rant. I am not complaining about the amount I pay in taxes. I am also not demanding that somebody else pick up the slack for the services I use that my taxes don't cover.

But just because government services are expensive and the costs tend to outweight revenues doesn't mean the solution is more tax burden on a specific set of people, and it certainly doesn't mean people don't have a right to complain about how taxes are applied and collected.
 
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jamesrage said:
They dictate by calling,writing,emailing and faxing their elected representatives.
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Those bastards.

Good God, James, what is it you think you do if pissed off enough? If you so much as write a letter to the editor or phone a representative, you're setting yourself up to be a son of a bitch.
 
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Why should those who have more money have more say than those who do not? Those who are benefiting from the current systems will vote to maintain it, while those who are getting screwed by it will vote to change it. Why is that surprising? And why would that be immoral? No one who is too poor to pay taxes is choosing to be that way. Nobody wants to be poor.
 
Yes because they pay other taxes such as SS medicare medicaid pay roll taxes sales taxes etc. There isn't a free ride in America no matter how much the right wants to think there is

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Paschendale said:
Why should those who have more money have more say than those who do not? Those who are benefiting from the current systems will vote to maintain it, while those who are getting screwed by it will vote to change it. Why is that surprising? And why would that be immoral? No one who is too poor to pay taxes is choosing to be that way. Nobody wants to be poor.
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You have so many questions! Here is one of the things I'm starting to understand: Those that have money and power in the US are closer to God. And that is why "... those who have more money have more say than those who do not. Did I get this right?
 
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I'm not sure why you chose my post as a jumping off point for this rant.
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I wasn't ranting...I disagreed and posted on a forum that is called "debate politics". Message received I'll ignore your posts.
 
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megaprogman said:
Lets make half of the country into second class citizens. What could possibly go wrong?
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Syria
The decline of this nation has been discussed on national radio, a while back...IMO, its a case study of the conservatives taking over and ruining a country with potential.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
It's a little silly to complain about people getting what they want because by voting for the person who will get it for them
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Isn't that what everyone does? Vote for the person who will represent their best interests?

I don't understand this point, that the poor, middle class, whoever is not wealthy, voting for their best interests is bad in comparison to the wealthy voting theirs. That's the whole point, isn't it? Getting the person into off who can best represent us. Is the idea that we should overlook that vote for someone else's interests?
 
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Yes.
They have freedom of speech and the right to vote still.
 
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So basically, what all of you who voted "no" are saying is that any stay at home moms do not deserve to be able to vote? Awesome. Way to promote family values. Another failure in logic by republicans.
 
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Voters can vote, but voting is not the same as dictating. People will vote for Democrats who want to raise taxes, but that does not amount to "dictating" how much others pay, because Democrats still favor the elite classes. In other words, liberals can think they're dictating tax policies by casting their vote, but it's not working.

I think people should not be able to vote themselves money. If they are going to rely on public funds to get by, that should eliminate their vote.
 
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jamesrage said:
Do those WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES have a right to dictate how much others pay? Seems to be a fair question. Seeing how 50% of American households pay no federal income taxes is it fair for these people to demand that others who do pay income taxes pay more? It always amuses me when people piss bitch and moan about the rich using the tax system to pay as low as possible of a income tax rate when many of these same people use that same tax system to not pay any federal income taxes and to sometimes get back extra.
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You phrased the question incorrectly. It should have read: "Do those WHO PAY NO TAXES AT ALL...". If one pays any taxes, even hidden in the cost of goods/services, then they have a legitimate right to participate in the process. Narrowing it down to only income taxes is dishonest.
 
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radcen said:
You phrased the question incorrectly. It should have read: "Do those WHO PAY NO TAXES AT ALL...". If one pays any taxes, even hidden in the cost of goods/services, then they have a legitimate right to participate in the process. Narrowing it down to only income taxes is dishonest.
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The discussion gets artificially narrowed down to Federal income taxes because of that 50% statistic (it's great for throwing gasoline on the fire), and because, let's face it, it's almost impossible to live in this country without paying tax of some kind.

I know you knew that, I just figured it was important to let the tax-for-vote people know they're not fooling anybody.
 
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iliveonramen said:
I wasn't ranting...I disagreed and posted on a forum that is called "debate politics". Message received I'll ignore your posts.
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I'm assuming I'm on ignore, so perhaps somebody else can help me out here.

What was Ramen disagreeing with from my post, exactly? I'm not even sure how his point relates to the one I made.
 
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tessaesque said:
I'm assuming I'm on ignore, so perhaps somebody else can help me out here.

What was Ramen disagreeing with from my post, exactly? I'm not even sure how his point relates to the one I made.
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He probably disagreed with this statement:

"I don't feel like it would be ethical for me personally to demand that somebody with a higher effective rate than mine pay even more to support services I use. Especially when my tax burden is not so significant that it prevents me from advancing my current position. Of course, ethics have little to do with the political polarization that's so prevalent in today's society."

These things happen on debate boards.
 
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whysoserious said:
He probably disagreed with this statement:

"I don't feel like it would be ethical for me personally to demand that somebody with a higher effective rate than mine pay even more to support services I use. Especially when my tax burden is not so significant that it prevents me from advancing my current position. Of course, ethics have little to do with the political polarization that's so prevalent in today's society."

These things happen on debate boards.
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But the point he made in disagreement had absolutely nothing to do with my point.
 
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tessaesque said:
I'm assuming I'm on ignore, so perhaps somebody else can help me out here.

What was Ramen disagreeing with from my post, exactly? I'm not even sure how his point relates to the one I made.
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Here's my best shot at an abridged transcript:

tessaesque: I don't think it's okay to ask someone who makes more money than I do to pay still more tax money to support services I use, especially since my tax burden isn't too heavy and I still have room for upward mobility.

iliveonramen: Yeah, well, let's see how you do without government services for a day!

tessaesque: I'm not saying I want to do without government services, just that I don't feel right about asking someone better off than me to pay more for the services I use when my tax burden isn't too heavy.

iliveonramen: But pretty much everybody uses more in services than they pay in taxes! So do you want to give up say over how those taxes are spent?!

tessaesque: No, I'm just saying that the solution to services getting more expensive isn't to tax wealthy people more to pay the difference.

iliveonramen: Blarg!

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Does that help?
 
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