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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And you treat how many people a week? How many are over 62? How many are disabled?

    Have you ever had a personal injury or condition that required pain medications beyond OTC?
    If so, what was prescribed for you?

    Are there other treatment options available instead of benzodiazepines or amphetamines? Would you expect some patients to get better with the use of these drugs?
    Okay, I admit I came out swinging with this idea. I'm not going to cling to the death to the idea that these meds need to disappear completely, and your questions are valid.

    But it's true that government programs are sticking the taxpayer with costs of medications that people deal as drugs of abuse, and rooting that out in efficient ways needs to be a higher priority.

    Pharmaceutical companies will resist any moves in this direction, of course, because some of the money they make is from this taxpayer-funded addiction process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you're denying a possible cure or relief are you willing to continue supporting these people indefinitely?
    Hang on, relief, absolutely. The drugs I mentioned provide wonderful relief. But with a risk of addiction. Cure on the other hand? Absolutely not. These meds "cure" nothing.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Hang on, relief, absolutely. The drugs I mentioned provide wonderful relief. But with a risk of addiction. Cure on the other hand? Absolutely not. These meds "cure" nothing.
    If it lessens the problem so that a normal lifestyle can be resumed or partially resumed then that's good enough. I thought I had read amphetamines, especially in conjunction with other treatment, could do that?
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yup. All that has to be done is to show up at the home of someone who is getting benefits and have them pee in a cup in front of a witness. No problem.
    I think it would easier just have everyone on welfare show up to the welfare office to collect their welfare where they are randomly tested and have a male and female drug tester on the spot to make sure they aren't cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If it lessens the problem so that a normal lifestyle can be resumed or partially resumed then that's good enough. I thought I had read amphetamines, especially in conjunction with other treatment, could do that?
    Any of them can, technically.

    I bolded your post because it is critical. That is a big 'if' scenario. People on welfare are more likely to not return to "normal" functioning in that they resume work, pay their bills, etc. (if they did they'd generally not be on welfare). This is a reasonable generalization. And I don't think it serves anyone to have tax dollars enriching Big Pharma so that non-contribution individuals can become intoxicated non-contributing individuals.

    So, pain meds, anti-anxiety meds and amphetamines only if a) it enables you to function productively or b) it's administered to you.

    Or SOMEthing that stems the abuse and sale of Rx drugs. There are lots of ways to improve this problem.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Any of them can, technically.

    I bolded your post because it is critical. That is a big 'if' scenario. People on welfare are more likely to not return to "normal" functioning in that they resume work, pay their bills, etc. (if they did they'd generally not be on welfare). This is a reasonable generalization. And I don't think it serves anyone to have tax dollars enriching Big Pharma so that non-contribution individuals can become intoxicated non-contributing individuals.

    So, pain meds, anti-anxiety meds and amphetamines only if a) it enables you to function productively or b) it's administered to you.

    Or SOMEthing that stems the abuse and sale of Rx drugs. There are lots of ways to improve this problem.
    In my State you only get so many months (I think it's still 24) on Welfare, so, you'd better find your answers by then. If that means disability then so be it, then it's no longer Welfare. If it's not then you're on your own. I think we still cover children for food stamps and medical past that time but not adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In my State you only get so many months (I think it's still 24) on Welfare, so, you'd better find your answers by then. If that means disability then so be it, then it's no longer Welfare.
    For purposes of this argument we should lump, not split. Let's call it social programs if you like. Or DHHS. If taxpayers foot the Medicaid and Medicare bills, and Medicaid and Medicare seek to preserve Americans' welfare, then it's all the same nature: taxpayers paying for the things needy people 'need.' And I don't think that should include drugs of abuse for which there is demand on the street.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

    I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
    I don't believe it's a perfect system. Surely things such as corporate welfare should be done away with on the whole. However, in general for the People and the individual; it's not a bad idea. There are lots of benefits we can collectively gain through a program such as welfare. I wouldn't scrap it, but I would overhaul it.

    As for drug testing. No, absolutely not. Hell, I've come to a point where I understand arguments against private business being able to drug test. Not quite accepting it full out yet, but I understand the argument. It particularly resonates with someone like me who believes that most things should be performance based.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    For purposes of this argument we should lump, not split. Let's call it social programs if you like. Or DHHS. If taxpayers foot the Medicaid and Medicare bills, and Medicaid and Medicare seek to preserve Americans' welfare, then it's all the same nature: taxpayers paying for the things needy people 'need.' And I don't think that should include drugs of abuse for which there is demand on the street.
    Well, I'm sure that would suit your purposes better but since the OP is talking about people getting a job and working then I don't think that was the intent of this thread. Disability and retirement are just that, and neither are the same as welfare. Since virtually every government entity from Uncle Sam down to our local counties treat them as separate I see no reason to "lump" anything.


    With Welfare we are trying to get people back to work and doing whatever it takes to accomplish that. That's the only mission/goal of Welfare. Obviously people on disability and retirement are in for the long haul, permanently in the case of retirement and at least long-range if not permanent in the case of disability.
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    Re: Welfare

    This is how I think of welfare:

    • statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need
    • financial support given for this purpose.

    So SSDI and Medicaid fit within this, to me. And that's a major source of the inspiration for my post about prescription drugs that become street drugs, which built off of someone else's comment about drug testing welfare recipients. But, I suppose I digress.

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