View Poll Results: What do you think welfare should be?

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    Re: Welfare

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    From September 17, 1787 to February 3, 1913, 126 years, most of U.S. history, it was unconstitutional for the federal government to tax "income."


    There were "NO" safety-net socialistic programs.

    Workers Compensation Insurance

    Social Security

    Medicare

    Medicaid

    Food Stamps

    Child care for AFDC

    Student Grants

    School Lunches

    Supplemental Security Income

    Lower income housing asst.

    Earned Income Tax Credit

    Social Services (Title 20)

    Pell Grants

    General medical assistance

    Foster Care

    Head Start

    Food supplements (Women, infants and children)

    Training for disadvantaged youth and adults

    Low-income energy assistance

    Rural housing loans

    Indian Health Services

    Summer youth employment

    Maternal and child health

    JOBS and WIN

    Job Corps

    Child care block grant

    School Breakfast

    Nutrition Program for Elderly

    Housing interest reduction

    Child and adult care food program

    Walter Williams:

    "Government is necessary, but the only rights we can delegate to government are the ones we possess. For example, we all have a natural right to defend ourselves against predators. Since we possess that right, we can delegate authority to government to defend us. By contrast, we donít have a natural right to take the property of one person to give to another; therefore, we cannot legitimately delegate such authority to government."

    Our elected representatives "represent" us, not "rule." We "delegate" to them some of the authority that we "have." We can't steal someone's wealth and give it to others and we "can't" delegate that authority to government. Our current government is acting lawlessly.
    Just the facts...


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    Re: Welfare

    When we go to the Department of Human Services, where 'welfare' is applied for and managed, we do not bring the person that is getting it with us except for the first time. When we went to the Social Security building we brought him for the first few times. We drove our nice new 2011 car w/ alloy rims, not his beat up 1996 old Ford w/ alloy rims. We see the others doing the same thing. We do see some that may be collecting assistance that have new subculture in style clothing, but most are doing what we are doing.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Heard the story before, minnie. The story misses one word.

    Random.

    Give me a week in advance, and I'll pass the pee test too.
    My place of work had random pee tests. It was supposed to get rid of all those that were hurting our productivity, quality, etc. Many were delighted. Some of our engineers left and formed a new company on the other side of the freeway; you could see their building from our main entrance. We never got the results since nothing improved. Drug testing was canceled. This division eventually failed but the engineers that left serviced us well while we were in business. Several years later I checked on them and found them doing well and growing. So much for random drug testing.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

    I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
    TOTALLY AGAINST THIS. ... the drug testing...
    Or, we should drug test everyone !
    Community service ?
    YES
    work to receive welfare..
    But, would you want a tattooed goon serving a "big mac" to your children...???
    Reform/improvement is /or may be necessary in the welfare arena.....and how about those who administer this ???

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    TOTALLY AGAINST THIS. ... the drug testing...
    Or, we should drug test everyone !
    Community service ?
    YES
    work to receive welfare..
    But, would you want a tattooed goon serving a "big mac" to your children...???
    Reform/improvement is /or may be necessary in the welfare arena.....and how about those who administer this ???
    Not sure where your going with the tattooed goon. Just because he is tattooed and appears to be a goon he shouldn't work at a McDonalds? If someone made mistakes in their life and don't appear great does not mean that they can't change for the better.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How are no bid contracts welfare and how are they corrupt in nature?
    I think that they are a form of "welfare".
    Unless you are a highly moral/ethical man, you should know the answer to corruption and no-bids.

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    Re: Welfare

    Being a tattooed goon is one serious mistake, if one wants to mainstream in society.
    If not, he can stay in the ghettoes; very few want "tattooed goons".

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Heard the story before, minnie. The story misses one word.

    Random.

    Give me a week in advance, and I'll pass the pee test too.
    I agree.Anyone with a small bottle and a friend who doesn't use illegal drugs can pass any urinalyses with advance notice.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree.Anyone with a small bottle and a friend who doesn't use illegal drugs can pass any urinalyses with advance notice.
    Yup. All that has to be done is to show up at the home of someone who is getting benefits and have them pee in a cup in front of a witness. No problem.
    I had a close acquaintance taking illegal drugs, pills from India etc. He had been prescribed legal psychotropic drugs, but the diagnosis were incorrect several times as doctors made errors and the drugs didn't help. Finally the doctors got it right. What was 'funny' was that the illegal drugs he was taking from India were old versions of what he actually needed. He'll pass a drug test now since they are legally prescribed.

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    Re: Welfare

    Considering our unemployment rate I find it quite funny when people carry on about welfare recipients getting/having jobs. My guess is, if there were plenty of good, fair-paying (doesn't have to be great pay!) jobs out there welfare would be a much smaller problem. Here they have two years and we provide education/training assistance. We also work out child care arrangements if needed.

    Food stamps are a bigger issue and only a business solution will cure that ill. Good luck getting that to fly.

    Government work programs are a good idea as long as they can actually work or you find something they can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Low income welfare should be modified to not reward single parent families.
    I can understand the single parent issue but, in reality, many homes are that way often with no one at fault. We could promote two same-sex singles, especially those with children, sharing accommodations. It might help with scheduling and child care as well as cutting down on housing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    In my opinion, yes. It's wrong to steal, even if one uses the stolen money to help another person. The ends don't justify the means.
    We've been over this before. Your ideology allows for stealing but it's stealing for what YOU think is right/just/fair/required - so it's OK.
    That self-righteous "stealing" crap is getting old, though. It's alright to call it "taxes" or "taxation".

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    Low bid isn't the best bid. About 20 years ago our local county government had a new building constructed. There were rumors at the time about how the countractor cut corners. Well, go figure, now recently, the entire building had to be torn down, before it fell down. The city and county argued over who would cover reconstruction cost. Does this have anything to do with the subject of this thread? Yes, it does. Basically, you get what you pay for. If you want to operate on the pure profit policy, you have to contend with a slashed and burned country.
    That's a matter of proper review and inspection, not the bidding process/low bid system. We've been using the low-bid system here since before WWII and it works fine if implemented correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree.Anyone with a small bottle and a friend who doesn't use illegal drugs can pass any urinalyses with advance notice.
    Sounds like someone with experience - that explains a lot.
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