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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I haven't...this is just based on my limited experience with them.
    What kind of experience can you possibly have if you don't know the first thing about what applies?

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think corporate welfare is quite dangerous in this country, and that it needs to be revised.

    I think that lobbyists should be restricted so that they lobby for an entire industry and not just a specific company.

    I think that those who benefit from corporate welfare - executives, managers, employees, and shareeholders of companies that receive government contracts - should get drug tested before a government contract is given to a company.

    I think that no-bid contracts should be banned from being doled out, as they are blatant examples of government corruption.

    I think that all government services are better done via government agencies than by contracted private businesses.

    Those are some of the changes to our welfare system that I would like to make.
    This is the most disingenuous post you've ever posted. If you can't debate the welfare system that he's talking about then why don't you somewhere else? Stop derailing this thread.
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    Re: Welfare

    I don't know if I can write a reasonable length post. This issue is very complicated.

    I've been to the place several times where one gets services from the state to support getting those services for someone.
    Most people there don't fit what cthomp describes, they don't stand out. The people that stand out are the ones with new in style clothes that fit the subculture they want to fit into. A few of the cars in the lot have (stupid) expensive rims etc. on their cars, but these cars aren't well maintained or new. My guess is 20% fit what cthomp describes. Their subculture locks them into nonproductive behavior, I have no idea how to have them change, and I don't find the deserving. I have no clue how to separate them out. I don't think they can be taught what they need to do to keep their culture where it's appropriate, but shed it for employment etc.
    What if find interesting is a friend of mine that earns close to 100k/year, wants to be married, but will not address his own cultural deficiencies that insure that his third marriage will end up like the first two. He wants advice but doesn't want to change. At least he isn't costing us money yet.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I didn't say corporate subsidies. I said corporate welfare. And I said it needs to be revised, not abolished.

    Nice try, though.
    I get so tired of this corporate welfare crap. Welfare is giving money to people for doing nothing but breathing, corporations are given tax breaks to help them prosper in a very competitive world economy and in the process providing goods and services, employing people and rewarding investors. When I hear libs cry corporate welfare I want to umm, never mind.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

    I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
    If you suspect someone is fraudulently claiming welfare you can report them for abuse and they'll be investigated.

    You can also be instrumental in raising awareness and concern via pursuing your state's congress. . . and so forth.

    Seeing a potential abuse of the system and just complaining about it won't change anything unless you complain to the right people.

    And seeing anything doesn't mean that it's actually an abuse of the system - can't prove that without deeper evidence.
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    Re: Welfare

    Once again, i hear republicans cry about getting government out of their lives while at the same time being in favor for federal drug testing to receive welfare payment. So in other words, government is bad if it intrudes on your own personal life, but it's ok if they intrude on the less fortunate. This is the definition of class warfare. It's easy to judge other human beings without having a clue what that person has been through or is currently experiencing. Most people who are on welfare are on it for a reason....lets please not stoop to a level similar to the gum on my shoe.
    Last edited by SypherAL; 03-06-12 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Welfare

    Yeah, God forbid the government has a say on how to distribute its own money.

    People are more than free to decline the welfare if they're that concerned about intrusion. Stipulations on gifts is not only sensible, it's intelligent and efficient.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

    I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.
    I think that taxing people in order to give their money to others is essentially the same as and no better than stealing. I consider it wrong and would never support it.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I think that taxing people in order to give their money to others is essentially the same as and no better than stealing. I consider it wrong and would never support it.
    What is this person had his torso blown off in iraq so you could post on this forum today? is it still wrong?
    Last edited by SypherAL; 03-06-12 at 10:42 PM.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    What is this person had his torso blown off in iraq so you could post on this forum today? is it still wrong?
    Do you believe in miracles? Because if someone had his torso BLOWN OFF and lived I would.
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