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    Re: Welfare

    2. They are not usually done in areas where there is many other companies able to do the work that is being asked to be done.
    This is generally the rational isn't it? Such as the rational for KBR (who rips off the government) but was really the only company with the ability to provide the service the government needed.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Welfare needs a drastic overhaul these days. The amount needs to be reduced, it needs to require full-time employment, recipients should be mandated to take random, frequent drug tests, and women need to be placed on some sort of birth control who receive funding. These are just tips of the iceberg.
    I agree with you until the birth control part. I agree that they should absolutely not have anymore kids, not only is that not constitutional, how would you know if they were taking the birth control as prescribed?

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is generally the rational isn't it? Such as the rational for KBR (who rips off the government) but was really the only company with the ability to provide the service the government needed.
    Have you ever spent the time looking at the rules that must be followed? Though you might want to check back at least once a week since it changes at least that often but still, have you?
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Have you ever spent the time looking at the rules that must be followed? Though you might want to check back at least once a week since it changes at least that often but still, have you?
    I haven't...this is just based on my limited experience with them. I also think find it hard to believe that say...in the instance of KBR with no competitors that are capable do doing what they do...that you're going to get a rate that is competitive in anyway.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp
    I agree with you until the birth control part. I agree that they should absolutely not have anymore kids, not only is that not constitutional, how would you know if they were taking the birth control as prescribed?
    You can watch them take it, or they have injections. Constitutionality is irrelevant in this situation; welfare is optional. They can be presented the terms to receive welfare, which they can accept or refuse. It's a matter of contractual obligation, not of assumed rights.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Corporate subsidies are not welfare. Corporate subsidies are an investment in the productivity of the United States of America. You know: jobs, infrastructure, innovation.
    I didn't say corporate subsidies. I said corporate welfare. And I said it needs to be revised, not abolished.

    Nice try, though.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cthomp View Post
    I come from an area that has a lot of people on welfare. My neighboring town is roughly 86%. I can honestly say that when I go through that town I am amazed. It is not rare to see expensive cars, rims, and hear the bumping of expensive stereo systems in cars. For the most part the people are dressed in expensive clothes and shoes. To pile it on it is common to see many people walking the streets in the middle of the day during the week. It frustrates me to see the welfare system abused. However, I am not completely against it. My question is what do you think the welfare system should be like?

    I feel it should go something like this. I would like to see the people on welfare drug tested. Next I think there should be somewhat of a stepping system. People that receive welfare should have to do some community service. Maybe two three times a week to earn their check. Give them x amount of days to get a job. Any job, working at McDonalds if they have to. This way their welfare check can be reduced. The system should be organized to help people get off of their feet, not feel its ok to sit at home and just get a hand-out.

    I picked "Make provisions to the current welfare system. Explain"

    1.Food stamps should be replaced with a voucher system similar to WIC. With WIC you can only get the products the vouchers say you can get and when you can get them. This would eliminate people wasting tax payer dollars on cookies,candies, energy drinks, and other luxury and junk food.This would also help eliminate the foodstamp from hell rush that happens at the fist of the month at all the grocery stores.

    2.Aid for housing ,education and utility bills should be wired into the land lord,educational institutions and utility company accounts if they are not already done so.

    3.Aid for transportation should be in the form of bus tokens, tickets,vouchers and gas card based on transportation to a and from work and possibly to home and to pick up child.
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    Re: Welfare

    I think that instead of giving money away we should give people jobs that are created by the government unless you are unable to work; like the first New Deal.

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    Re: Welfare

    Low income welfare should be modified to not reward single parent families.
    Which is part of the reason, middle and low income families are not seeing the same income growth.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    1.Food stamps should be replaced with a voucher system similar to WIC. With WIC you can only get the products the vouchers say you can get and when you can get them. This would eliminate people wasting tax payer dollars on cookies,candies, energy drinks, and other luxury and junk food.This would also help eliminate the foodstamp from hell rush that happens at the fist of the month at all the grocery stores.
    This was the way it was until the food industries lobbied to changed it so people on food stamps could buy their products with those food stamps.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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