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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And our societies have not become women dominated because we have grown to the point (at least many of us) that we understand that both genders can lead together. In fact, working together, offering those differing viewpoints gives us a better society and more able to work on our problems with everyone's interests taken into consideration.
    I'd also argue that our practices are still catching up with our stated social mores, and our stated social mores are still catching up with the law. Women are still lagging behind in the leadership department, but at some point I'm certain things will even out and then we'll have a society more like what you're talking about.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    ONLY if there an option, "none of the above, try again"
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it does matter because you are picking and choosing which dates in our history apply just to try to defend your fallacious argument.
    I'm looking at the modern era and the one directly before it. When one goes any further back than that you are looking at societies that really have little to nothing in common with the societies we see in the world today. It would seem the more "enlightened" our species has become, the fewer matriarchal societies have existed.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And our societies have not become wome dominated nbecause we have grown to the point (at least many of us) that we understand that both genders can lead together. In fact, working together, offering those differing viewpoints gives us a better society and more able to work on our problems with everyone's interests taken into consideration.
    Okay, and do you let the kids and the pets have a say in your society too? I hope so. I mean we wouldn't want to leave anyone out of the equation, would we? In any social situation there can only be one leader. Anything beyond that is mob rule.

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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Something like that. Moreover the less people who I end up having to ignore when they waste my time responding to my comments. Welcome to MY ignore list.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Nobody can derail a thread like Tigger....
    But, I will play along:

    So, Tigger.... Would you include gay men in that grouping? I will assume you are going to say NO based on your previous ramblings I have come across...

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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm looking at the modern era and the one directly before it. When one goes any further back than that you are looking at societies that really have little to nothing in common with the societies we see in the world today. It would seem the more "enlightened" our species has become, the fewer matriarchal societies have existed.
    Actually, the fewer of any gender dominated societies exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Okay, and do you let the kids and the pets have a say in your society too? I hope so. I mean we wouldn't want to leave anyone out of the equation, would we? In any social situation there can only be one leader. Anything beyond that is mob rule.
    Since when do kids or pets have the same reasoning and mental capabilities of full grown (competent) adults of either gender? I would gladly test every child out there, especially teens, to determine if they could truly be considered an adult, instead of going by age (I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't like this, since girls generally mature faster than boys), but it isn't practical. We instead pick an age that seems about right for a majority of young adults to be considered mature enough to be said to be adults. Men and women can easily be compared, using competent and rational tests, to have equal mental and reasoning capabilities to each other, on average, particularly once they reach their early 20s.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    An interesting debate. Should voting in presidential elections be required by law? Of course this excludes felons and non-u.s. citizens. Legal voting age stays the same in this scenario.

    My opinion: If you live in the United States, you will be required to vote in the United States. It would be a huge dis-respect to the millions of Americans that died for this country to sit at home on election day. This is a freedom many have died for so get out and participate!
    What do you think would be more insulting to our founding fathers and soldiers?
    - The government violating individual freedoms by forcing free men and women to take part in something that they have no desire to take part in.
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    - People exercising their freedom to abstain from the presidential election.

    I understand where you're coming from, and I wish more Americans would take part in the election process, however, this is certainly not the way to do it. Real change on this matter can only come from voluntary co-operation.

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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    A woman cannot be qualified to be involved in the political process by her gender alone. For proof of that, please show me a single significant Matriarchal society in the medieval or modern world.

    P.S. - Don't waste your time, there hasn't been one. There have been occasional female leaders but nowhere has there been a significant Matriarchal society since the end of the Celts.
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    Many cultures, even if they are not matriarchies have included women in the political process. I really don't see how this has to do with anything. A society does not have to be matriarchal to include women in the political process, and just because something is new or untried does not make it bad. You advocate a return to tradition, but even that tradition was founded upon revolution and changing norms.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I believe you just contradicted yourself here. You just admitted that there has been a significant Matriarchal society, the Celts.

    It doesn't matter when they existed, it just matters that one did exist. All societies, except the current ones, have fallen, no matter who was in charge of them.
    I find it funny how someone who refuses to leave the 12th century sets an arbitrary limit based on dates.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    So, Tigger.... Would you include gay men in that grouping? I will assume you are going to say NO based on your previous ramblings I have come across...
    I would prefer that group not be allowed to exist in society to begin with. I would personally prefer they not be allowed a voice in society, but I would rather see them involved than most of the other groups I've discussed. Mostly because they are still a relatively small group and probably couldn't pass the competency exam to vote anyway.


    [QUOTE=roguenuke;1060262684]Actually, the fewer of any gender dominated societies exist.[QUOTE]

    True, and that's part of the problem. We've moved away from the Patriarchal model, which worked for millenia and have embraced a genderless model which is falling down around our ears. Great move.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Since when do kids or pets have the same reasoning and mental capabilities of full grown (competent) adults of either gender? I would gladly test every child out there, especially teens, to determine if they could truly be considered an adult, instead of going by age (I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't like this, since girls generally mature faster than boys), but it isn't practical. We instead pick an age that seems about right for a majority of young adults to be considered mature enough to be said to be adults. Men and women can easily be compared, using competent and rational tests, to have equal mental and reasoning capabilities to each other, on average, particularly once they reach their early 20s.
    Personally, I'm all for moving the age of majority for a lot of things to 13. Things like the age to be tried as an adult in court, to be executed, and to be forced to make full restitution for damage one does to private or public property.

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