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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Yes, i understand what your saying. By American's dying for our country they would be dying for our freedoms, so giving someone the freedom to vote would fall under that category
    what an unusual view of the concept of "freedom". So "freedom" for you means "coercion to make you do what I want you to do".


    ...this explains so much that I have not hitherto understood about the leftist viewpoint in America....

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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what an unusual view of the concept of "freedom". So "freedom" for you means "coercion to make you do what I want you to do".


    ...this explains so much that I have not hitherto understood about the leftist viewpoint in America....
    That's not what I said, I have no idea how you could have possibly interpreted my statement that way. You are using my lean title to put fake thoughts into your mind. You probably haven't interpreted the left wing view properly because your vision is clouded with reasons to hate liberal beliefs regardless if they match your own beliefs at times.

    What is your definition of freedom? How many definitions could there be? Please Mr. smart conservative, explain to me what freedom is. Allowing the rich to prosper while the poor suffer? Using the bible as the document to run America? Deportation of all immigrants? Telling women what medications they can and cant take? Using a "your on your own" mentality when it comes to healthcare for the elderly? Ending unemployment benefits and food stamps for people in need? Cutting spending while not investing? Treating America's economy like its family of 4's family budget? If these are your definitions of freedom I must say you have a rather interesting view on America.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    i voted no. as much as i would like to see turnout increase, we can't overcome apathy with legislation in this area. it's up to the individual to educate him or herself on the issues and to choose accordingly. one of those choices is whether or not to vote.

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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That's BS.

    You tried to lay a guilt trip as your reasoning for why people should be required to vote.

    You framed this as a "think about the people who died for you" thing and want to use that to justify a law forcing people to vote. This is a typical liberal tactic.

    Think about the children and pass a law to do X.

    Think about what second hand smoke does and pass a law to do X.

    Think about global warming and pass a law to do X.

    Give me a freaking break!

    Somehow you brought global warming, second hand smoke, and chilidren into a debate about voting requirements. Once again, you are using feelings instead of facts to vent your frustrations. This is a debate forum, if your not able to handle reading other peoples opinions and views on political issues and beliefs I would strongly consider not participating on this forum. As an educator, I would assume you would understand something like this.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    I should not be made to vote, particularly if I don't support the process or available candidates. If, for example, there were a campaign between Maxine Waters and Rick Santorum I would feel dishonest and shamed if I voted for either one of them...and if there isn't a 3rd party candidate I can support why should I then be forced into voting?

    I appreciate having the right to vote, but legally obligating me to vote takes it too far, IMO.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    I was not "tugging" at your emotions, I was stating my belief. I am not a presidential candidate, I dont tug at emotions. This is a poll, not a post to influence my beliefs. I was waiting for someone to use my lean label as an insult to their intelligence. My view has absolutely nothing to do with my political stance. This is a debate about being required to vote. For some reason i feel if my lean said "conservative" you wouldn't be so offended. If you get offended so easily on a political DEBATE forum you may want to consider spending your free time doing something else.
    TBH, I didn't even look at your lean when I read the OP, but I still thought the second paragraph of your post came across as condescending and dickish. I don't necessarily think that's a liberal trait, though, so your lean probably wouldn't have matter even if I saw it.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    That's not what I said, I have no idea how you could have possibly interpreted my statement that way. You are using my lean title to put fake thoughts into your mind. You probably haven't interpreted the left wing view properly because your vision is clouded with reasons to hate liberal beliefs regardless if they match your own beliefs at times.

    What is your definition of freedom? How many definitions could there be? Please Mr. smart conservative, explain to me what freedom is. Allowing the rich to prosper while the poor suffer? Using the bible as the document to run America? Deportation of all immigrants? Telling women what medications they can and cant take? Using a "your on your own" mentality when it comes to healthcare for the elderly? Ending unemployment benefits and food stamps for people in need? Cutting spending while not investing? Treating America's economy like its family of 4's family budget? If these are your definitions of freedom I must say you have a rather interesting view on America.
    I'm sorry, but I have to point out the blatant hypocrisy of this post. You lament stereotyping on the basis of your lean and then throw out a laundry list of (factually incorrect/distorted/completely friggin' warped) "conservative" views. Either fight honestly or don't fight.
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    An interesting debate. Should voting in presidential elections be required by law? Of course this excludes felons and non-u.s. citizens. Legal voting age stays the same in this scenario.

    My opinion: If you live in the United States, you will be required to vote in the United States. It would be a huge dis-respect to the millions of Americans that died for this country to sit at home on election day. This is a freedom many have died for so get out and participate!
    Democracy emphasizes freedom. Forcing people to vote is contradictory to the very foundations of democracy. Deal with it
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Somehow you brought global warming, second hand smoke, and chilidren into a debate about voting requirements. Once again, you are using feelings instead of facts to vent your frustrations. This is a debate forum, if your not able to handle reading other peoples opinions and views on political issues and beliefs I would strongly consider not participating on this forum. As an educator, I would assume you would understand something like this.
    Bolded word pretty much sums up my feelings about the OP
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    Re: Should Someone Be Required By Law To Vote In The Presidential Election(s)?

    Quote Originally Posted by SypherAL View Post
    Somehow you brought global warming, second hand smoke, and chilidren into a debate about voting requirements. Once again, you are using feelings instead of facts to vent your frustrations. This is a debate forum, if your not able to handle reading other peoples opinions and views on political issues and beliefs I would strongly consider not participating on this forum. As an educator, I would assume you would understand something like this.
    Oh, come on...surely you understand that those are examples that I gave to illustrate the tactic you used in your OP, eh? I'm not using feelings at all and I have no frustrations...in fact, I don't even see how you can perceive such things from my posts. And, in regard to this being a debate forum...yes, it is. I gave my opinion of your proposal in my first post. You chose not to comment on that, though...you only want to talk about my dislike of your use of typical liberal justification for your proposal.

    So it goes.

    btw, my designation as an "Educator" is not of my choosing. It's a title given by the forum. I think it's a function of how many posts I've made. I suggest you don't place much importance upon it.
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