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Thread: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    "Correct" only exists in the minds of humans, like morality, and money.
    I think people are getting a little carried away with the observations of moral subjectivism as an end-all-be response to questions like this.

    Clearly human beings believe in the practice of some sort of morality, even if morality itself is subjective in character, because it is with that understanding that people interact with one another.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 03-04-12 at 07:07 PM.
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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    best thread ever
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Wait -- you just said they were all based on values, and subjective values at that.
    No. I said that the ideology one chooses is based upon their values - opinions may or may not be based upon reality. For instance, the whole "homosexuality is unnatural" bullcrap.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    best thread ever
    I'm not sure why my threads turn into off topic disasters. Maybe something about how I speak excites philosophical inquiry and dispute.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 03-04-12 at 07:13 PM.
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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No. I said that the ideology one chooses is based upon their values - opinions may or may not be based upon reality. For instance, the whole "homosexuality is unnatural" bullcrap.
    Technically, everything is natural. Maybe you take people too literally when they use the word 'unnatural'.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: The Moral Value of Correct Political Opinions (real version)

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Technically, everything is natural. Maybe you take people too literally when they use the word 'unnatural'.
    Or maybe they take themselves too literally when they try to make such a distinction - which by the way is completely irrelevant to the gay rights issue in any case.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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