View Poll Results: Do Men Have the Right to Control Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It certainly is an issue of males trying to control women that is all it's about. There is no other way to see it. It has zero to do with that fetus.
    That's simply wrong. How can there be an honest conversation on this if this is the kind of militancy which goes around? This kind of absolutism, whomever it comes from, helps nothing and no one.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Can you prove this? I'd (really) like to see the study.
    Sure. It's pretty neat.

    Brain Scanners Can See Your Decisions Before You Make Them

    Functionalism...

    ...you realize you just justified killing people so computers can replace them, right?

    For example, what's stopping the entire working class from being killed and replaced by robots to satisfy elites' impressions of personhood?
    How did I do that? If AI's and organic humans have the same rights, how is it justified to kill humans?

    The example you give would not be equal rights. It would be rights skewed in favor of the AI.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Viagra won't help your computer's hard drive.
    Do you know this for sure?
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Yes, all voters have the right to vote for politicians who agree with their views.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Your question is three parts

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health and Reproductive Systems?
    MEN? No. No single person has an inherent RIGHT to control a persons body other than the person in question

    4. Does a male dominated government have the right to legislate controls over women's health issues and reproduction?
    First, obviously you're not speaking about the United States government since our governmental system is in part controlled at its very foundation by its citizens which hosts a majority of women.

    Second, in a general sense Government? Depends on how you define "Control". If the government regulates how one buys and operates a firearm, does the government CONTROL your firearm? If the government regulates how you provide power to your car, does it "Control" your car?

    I guess it would depend if you are fine in the government "Controlling" other segments of health care. Are you fine with them "Controlling" prescriptions? Fine with them "Controlling" whether or not a hospital has to see someone? Fine with them "Controlling" what insurance providers cover? Fine with them "Controlling" what kind of procedures can be done? Then yeah...they can to a certain extent "Control" a woman or a man's body in regards to medical issues.

    5. Does a male dominated religion have the right, through its teachings and doctrine, to have to control over women's health issues and reproduction ?
    Which religion are you speaking of that has a majority male population?

    And a religion has the right to believe, teach, and in doctrine anything it wishes and people have the right to disagree or agree with it however they wish. If a woman doesn't agree with the teachings of a religion...she can choose either to ignore those teachings or even just not practice that religion.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It certainly is an issue of males trying to control women that is all it's about. There is no other way to see it. It has zero to do with that fetus.
    Truly, with such an astounding ability to determine exactly what the intent and thoughts are of an entire segment of the population...even when they themselves don't even believe that's what their actual intent and thought is....you really should not be wasting your time on a forum. Please, call up the CIA and let them know of your amazing and astonishing gift so they may hire you out to fight terrorism or something. I am truly in awe of your awesome ability to determine with factual clarity what large groups of people's actual purposes are.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Not true. Plenty of people decide to end their lives for perfectly legitimate reasons. Even some other animals do so. Some people don't end their lives, but spend the entirety of them wishing they could.
    You are using the very rare exceptions as though they're the rule. The function of life is to live; survival is the genetic default mode.


    There is no risk involved in preventing something from ever living in the first place.
    NO risk? How do you know what you're destroying? How many Beethovens, Ghandis, and Einsteins? Of the 42 million abortions per year, not one of them could ever have been a world-changer? None? Or even someone who would have saved, say, a busload of kids?


    There is lots of risk involved in forcing something into life without its consent.
    Like what?
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Truly, with such an astounding ability to determine exactly what the intent and thoughts are of an entire segment of the population...even when they themselves don't even believe that's what their actual intent and thought is....you really should not be wasting your time on a forum. Please, call up the CIA and let them know of your amazing and astonishing gift so they may hire you out to fight terrorism or something. I am truly in awe of your awesome ability to determine with factual clarity what large groups of people's actual purposes are.
    Pardon, but this made me LOL.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You are using the very rare exceptions as though they're the rule. The function of life is to live; survival is the genetic default mode.
    It's not "very rare." It's exceptionally common in certain demographics, like the very ill. Survival is the default mode, but the more intelligent the creature the more likely they are to override their defaults.

    NO risk? How do you know what you're destroying? How many Beethovens, Ghandis, and Einsteins? Of the 42 million abortions per year, not one of them could ever have been a world-changer? None? Or even someone who would have saved, say, a busload of kids?
    That is not a risk. That life never existed, and what it turned out to be is largely dependent upon when are where it was born (if it is ever born - nature is the more prolific abortionist).

    But this argument is just as easy to turn around: how do you know they aren't aborting a future tyrant or serial killer? How do you know that one of those sperm in the condom you just unloaded into wouldn't have been the next Einstein? Should we just never use contraception on the off chance that the resulting child won't be just the average Joe? This is a ridiculous argument on its face.

    Like what?
    You are ultimately responsible for putting that person in the situation they are in, whether they like it or not. They never had any say in the matter.

    If you abort, on the other hand, nothing ever happens to the person because there never was a person.

    We have children for our own selfish reasons. Not because an embryo was just begging to be born to a crack-addicted teenager.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It's not "very rare." It's exceptionally common in certain demographics, like the very ill. Survival is the default mode, but the more intelligent the creature the more likely they are to override their defaults.



    That is not a risk. That life never existed, and what it turned out to be is largely dependent upon when are where it was born (if it is ever born - nature is the more prolific abortionist).

    But this argument is just as easy to turn around: how do you know they aren't aborting a future tyrant or serial killer? How do you know that one of those sperm in the condom you just unloaded into wouldn't have been the next Einstein? Should we just never use contraception on the off chance that the resulting child won't be just the average Joe? This is a ridiculous argument on its face.



    You are ultimately responsible for putting that person in the situation they are in, whether they like it or not. They never had any say in the matter.

    If you abort, on the other hand, nothing ever happens to the person because there never was a person.

    We have children for our own selfish reasons. Not because an embryo was just begging to be born to a crack-addicted teenager.
    OK. All this is just as much an argument for killing infants at will. Or anyone who can't give informed consent. That's a pretty grisly world it would lead to.
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