View Poll Results: Do Men Have the Right to Control Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Yes women are in charge of our own health concerns. Why should males control our health matters? What would give you that right? What concern is it of yours?
    It's our rule of law, and we have all been children.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    The question isn't whether or not someone can think. The question is how we judge whether or not someone can think.

    Other people aren't obligated to express themselves to our satisfaction to deserve respect.
    So, you can't give me any concrete reason to believe an embryo can express any form of consent? Including the consent to be born?

    What I know is surprises exist. There have been cases of people presumed to be vegetative who later were found out to really haven't been.

    Who knows how many "vegetative state" people were accidentally turned off. Are you familiar with Terri Schiavo?
    Terri Schiavo's brain has essentially liquified. If you believe she wasn't truly in a vegatative state, I'm sorry, but there's no help for you.

    ...which has to be assumed by default. Otherwise, we're gambling with personhood.
    Why? There's no gamble whatsoever; again, just your misunderstandings about biology.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It can't consent to being born either. What's the difference?
    Dogs can't consent either. Would you say there's no difference between taking a dog for a walk and burning the dog alive?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post

    5. Does a male dominated religion have the right, through its teachings and doctrine, to have to control over women's health issues and reproduction ?
    I'm sorry, I missed #5. Yes, but only "through its teachings and doctrine". For example, as soon a husband uses physical force over a wife to have her follow its teachings and doctrine it's assault.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health and Reproductive Systems?

    1. Yes?

    2. No?

    3. Under Certain Circumstances (Briefly list what circumstance(s))

    4. Does a male dominated government have the right to legislate controls over women's health issues and reproduction?

    5. Does a male dominated religion have the right, through its teachings and doctrine, to have to control over women's health issues and reproduction ?
    It's not really an issue of men controlling women, seeing that there are many women as well that share the povs of those same men. Men are a part of the voting block so, as it goes, men do have a right to vote based on their beliefs. Is it controlling to vote based on your beliefs? Imo, no. I am sure there are women who have voted on issues that have affected men; is that controlling as well? And besides that, your poll options do seem rather biased. Perhaps your questin should have been phrased a little better to acknowledge that men have the right to vote on what they believe. As Goshin stated, many women are pro-life; my mother, aunts, sister, etc are all a part of that group.

    For one the notion that most women are pro-choice needs to end. It's dishonest to ignore the many women who are pro-life, and even more dishonest to claim those women are brainwashed.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Dogs can't consent either. Would you say there's no difference between taking a dog for a walk and burning the dog alive?
    Please tell me how this pertains to something with no awareness whatsoever, and no interest in the continuity of its own existence? A dog at least has that. They feel pain, which is why we protect them from harm. They desire to continue living. A ZEF can't do that any more than my kidney can.

    Again, how is it more justifiable to force life on something than it is to not grant life? Why is everyone ignoring this point?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why not have all women make their men wear condoms? Why not have consenting adults agree to safe sexual terms before engaging in the act? You argue as if women have no consensual ability when it comes to sex. It takes 2 to make a baby and both must consent to the sex or it's rape.
    If a woman is so concerned about the abortion issue she will be on the pill and ask a man to wear a condom. If she doesn't care why should she do anything about it. This should tell you that women don't look at the issue as men do. She can have an abortion and if that happens so be it. But you in express a selfish attitude that says let her do it. If she doesn't give a rats ass why should she care about your sensibilities. That would be really stupid on her part. If males care do something about it and wear a condom. It takes two to have sex and to procreate but if the woman doesn't care about abortions as an issue and you do and you don't wear a condom and she has one you added to the number.

    Do you understand that more than half the women don't care if they have an abortion so why should that be responsible for your attitude? That's really arrogant of you to want her to protect you.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The loudest voice against abortion are religious males. Males should not have a word. We are responsible for our health not the males.
    you sound just like men used to sound before women had any rights....

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    There would be absolutely no difference between having one's health care controlled by anti-choice men and having one's health care controlled by anti-choice women. There would be a big difference between having one's health care controlled by anti-choice people and having it controlled by pro-choice people. This is only apparently a gender issue because the most visible leaders of the anti-choice movement and their representatives in government are usually men. But anti-choice women were instrumental in the introduction of the anti-choice bills in both Virginia and either Pennsylvania or Ohio (I forget which).

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So, you can't give me any concrete reason to believe an embryo can express any form of consent? Including the consent to be born?
    No. People are abstract subjects, not just concrete objects.

    Whether we're satisfactorily impressed or not does not determine whether someone else deserves respect.

    Terri Schiavo's brain has essentially liquified. If you believe she wasn't truly in a vegatative state, I'm sorry, but there's no help for you.

    Why? There's no gamble whatsoever; again, just your misunderstandings about biology.
    If biology is all we are, what's the ethical difference between people and computers?

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