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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're conflating pregnancy -- the condition going on inside the mother -- and having born offspring. One is objecting to a process going on inside your body; the other is killing living, breathing "children." They're not the same thing. Terminating a pregnancy in human terms is "justified" only because it's happening in a woman's body; you don't get to kill offspring already born, no matter how inconvenient you think they are. If they're the same thing, then you could.
    I'm just saying that the reason animals "abort" is exactly the same reason they kill their offspring, in most cases (except the aberrations who would always kill them). If all of them could abort at will, they probably would under some circumstances, like some animals already do.

    I am making the case that reproduction is not universally good. Survival is the biological imperitive, and if reproducing conflicts with survival, most animals will choose not to reproduce. It is not "aberrant." It's something most perfectly typical organisms can and will do in bad situations.

    Put in other terms, if children developed outside of the mother, then most likely, there would be no legal termination of that development. The ONLY argument which supports abortion is that it happens inside a woman's body. If it doesn't, it's just killing a developing child. There's no support for that. And even if there were, it certainly would not be the mother's choice alone, because it would not be a choice about her body.

    So no, pregnancy and having offspring are not the same thing.
    Yeah. That's pretty much what it's about.

    There are always exceptions. But they're just that, exceptions, not the rule.
    Not at all. Convincing a mare to abort is super-easy. All you have to do is not let her screw a bunch of other stallions after she concieves.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    You are still on that soap box. It is a comparison of paying for something you don't want to. For Christ's sake what don't you understand about that. Is it that hard. It has nothing to do with either it is about paying for things you don't want to. If you want to fight about why I don't like military start a thread and I will be more than happy to tell you.

    well, actually, you had better not tell anyone why you don't like the military.... you have stated numerous times in this thread that you don't whine about the military....

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I once thought like this too... and even voiced that opinion to my wife.
    it didn't go over very well at all... she chewed my ass.
    Just go with the flow man. I've learned that arguing with women over **** like this is normally a bad idea and always ends up like alien vs predator. Which ever one wins we still lose.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    You are still on that soap box. It is a comparison of paying for something you don't want to. For Christ's sake what don't you understand about that. Is it that hard. It has nothing to do with either it is about paying for things you don't want to. If you want to fight about why I don't like military start a thread and I will be more than happy to tell you.
    The talk you were having is about something greater. What is the purpose of taxes? How is it supposed to be used to represent the people? Why is it that the military actually does this, but welfare does not? You can ignore it if you want, but its there all the same and it's the point that is worth more than you realize.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Things happen and the rules change. What you can trust today may over a period of several months change. If he was so concerned in the first place he would have protected himself.
    This is exactly why I just gave up sex altogether.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, actually, you had better not tell anyone why you don't like the military.... you have stated numerous times in this thread that you don't whine about the military....
    I don't whine about paying for it no. Why waste the time.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    wierd.. i love women too... especially my wife and daughters.... and they love me back.
    they love me so much that they don't tell me things like " you're a man, you have no say in our health choices"... and we talk and talk and talk and we make decisions together.
    I love them so much i offer advice and support to them in their health decisions without saying " hey you're a woman, don't talk to me about your health issues, I don't care what you do"

    there is no gender war in my house.. we don't disallow anyone from having a say based on gender.

    I guess i live in a really weird household.
    Unless you're in favor of having all your neighbors vote on what your wife and daughters can and cannot do about their women's health care issues, then the personal medical issues you decide upon as a family, for the family, are not relevant to this discussion.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The talk you were having is about something greater. What is the purpose of taxes? How is it supposed to be used to represent the people? Why is it that the military actually does this, but welfare does not? You can ignore it if you want, but its there all the same and it's the point that is worth more than you realize.
    It is not there. What the hell is your problem. It is about paying for things we don't want to. Why is that so ****ing hard for you to understand?

    It has nothing to do with welfare anyway.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is exactly why I just gave up sex altogether.
    Good for you. It destroys relationship's as well.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Just go with the flow man. I've learned that arguing with women over **** like this is normally a bad idea and always ends up like alien vs predator. Which ever one wins we still lose.
    i'm well past the age of needing to have conversations with my wife about birth control and "womens reproductive health" or whatever the hell we are calling it today.

    i've been married a looong time... and i've had my say in all those conversations.
    I tried to shy away from those talks at one point, but as i said, my wife was having none of it... it's a partnership, a marriage... not a solo act.

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