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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    EVERYBODY... has a stake. The resulting birth/non-birth resonates far beyond the initial nine months. And I don't see anyone advocating that women take all the responsibility (i.e. leaving men off the hook in all matters) in exchange for all the 'control' after the kid is born.

    Disclaimer: I answered in spite of the use of the word "control" in the title/original post. As far as I am concerned, "control" is (intentionally?) misleading.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I once thought like this too... and even voiced that opinion to my wife.
    it didn't go over very well at all... she chewed my ass.
    My husband learned the same lesson when he told me - even after all we've gone through to have children - that if I get pregnant again it would be a 'blessing'

    Why would it be a blessing? Because I had a tubal ligation to avoid being pregnant I'm somehow subverting blessings? Aren't 4 blessings enough?
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    To me it has to do with defending children.

    I find the mere accusation that I'm trying to control women to be profoundly arrogant, because the accuser assumes I'm primarily concerned about them.

    A pregnant women is not an individual, there's another person inside her.
    That is your opinion and you agree with 44% of the population and 50% are pro choice with 6% not having an opinion. So it's almost an even split why should there be a change in the law as it stands? Did you know that abortion was legal in the early US and was stopped in about 1862 because of the danger to women and the fetus was not even part of that debate. To many women at the time were being damaged by the procedure.
    Then all of a sudden in 1973 everyone is concerned about the fetus. Fancy that,
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Well, they are very much the same in that my moral standards are such that I do not support killing people in the ME. I most certainly never supported our presence in Iraq and I still do not support our presence there. My tax money has been used to kill people, wound people, destroy a nation, cause misery and despair. We can agree or disagree about the US presence in the ME, but what we cannot disagree on is that my tax money helped make it possible. I paid and am paying for the continued misery and pain that is life in Iraq. You cannot disagree that I am paying for it. I have no choice. You must agree to that as well.
    If you really must know I agree with funding the military and find it beyond stupid to sit back and say you are unwilling to do it. Still, yes, I disagree with how the military is used these days and how much they get. But the whole death thing is just part of the idea really. These men and women are more or less paid to kill for us and personally I have no problem with it if it is protect our rights and liberties as a people and not further some stupid interest that some politician thinks is important.

    Either way, this is kind of the whole purpose of government, so really there is more wrong with her argument than just what I said.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Taxes has always been a messy business and I'm not going to try to defend actions of the military or how taxes are levied and decided to be used as I strongly disagree with both, however, like I said for the reasons I put out the comparison you tried to throw out there is lack luster.
    It is not when you consider what that was a reply to. Our taxes pay for a lot of things that we like or dislike. It is a perfect comparison. You don't need to defend the military. They could be picking grapes and I would not agree with the tax for it. But I pay and don't whine like the poster was whining about paying for abortions. It is exactly the same.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is not when you consider what that was a reply to. Our taxes pay for a lot of things that we like or dislike. It is a perfect comparison. You don't need to defend the military. They could be picking grapes and I would not agree with the tax for it. But I pay and don't whine like the poster was whining about paying for abortions. It is exactly the same.
    Nope. Protection of the rights and liberties of the people as a whole and to pay for what you need or to provide you what you want in the case of abortion, is not at all the same.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you really must know I agree with funding the military and find it beyond stupid to sit back and say you are unwilling to do it. Still, yes, I disagree with how the military is used these days and how much they get. But the whole death thing is just part of the idea really. These men and women are more or less paid to kill for us and personally I have no problem with it if it is protect our rights and liberties as a people and not further some stupid interest that some politician thinks is important.

    Either way, this is kind of the whole purpose of government, so really there is more wrong with her argument than just what I said.
    There is nothing wrong with it at all. It is a ****ing comparison about paying for something you don't want to. Come down from your defending the military high horse. I could have said its the same as someone without children paying local school taxes. Is that better suited to your sensitivity about military. For Christ's sake give it up already.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    That is your opinion and you agree with 44% of the population and 50% are pro choice with 6% not having an opinion. So it's almost an even split why should there be a change in the law as it stands? Did you know that abortion was legal in the early US and was stopped in about 1862 because of the danger to women and the fetus was not even part of that debate. To many women at the time were being damaged by the procedure.
    Then all of a sudden in 1973 everyone is concerned about the fetus. Fancy that,
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Only when those issues conflict with a child's safety and right to live.
    1. Would you apply that same logic to hospice patients?

    2. Current laws do protect viable fetuses. That has come about since Roe v Wade, so you must applaud the balanced pragmatism of that decision.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    There is nothing wrong with it at all. It is a ****ing comparison about paying for something you don't want to. Come down from your defending the military high horse. I could have said its the same as someone without children paying local school taxes. Is that better suited to your sensitivity about military. For Christ's sake give it up already.
    It would be the same thing.

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