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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, I'm not saying that women should have their ovaries removed, boobs cut off or anything like that.
    I'm saying that, in all fairness, you shouldn't expect me to help pay for something and then tell me to shut up about it.
    I go back to the fact that my taxes are used toward the military and i do not support anything they do. Nothing. Yet i pay that and don't whine.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He wasn't saying it that way at all; it's you who's adding that baggage, while again going on about "putting words in mouths":
    I made a statement which he has said nothing about only you have made comment on it. It obviously didn't bother him that I said that. Hmmm
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    My position has always been no matter what your political views are if you are a man with a half brain, you just let women have this one and do what they want if you agree with it or not. Some things just arent worth fighting women over and this is one of them. Give it up guys. Just give it up.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Actually what I said is that science helps clarify one half of the debate - the debate about what a ZEF actually is. I did not say it makes up the entirety of the debate.
    Fair enough. And I didn't start with "natural" and then "move the goalpost" into "proper," I said from the first that it was about a woman's organs working correctly.


    And since "attack" is not a biological word, it doesn't matter if it's what the organ is supposed to do or not. It could still be considered an attack by that woman, and she is perfectly justified in thinking so.
    She's entitled to the opinion, of course, but "justified" is another argument.


    Some animals have a lot of control over when they miscarry, and can do so at will. Others can arrest pregnancy for several months.
    Like which ones?


    Others can do neither, but will kill their young.
    Then that's something other than regarding the pregnancy, the process happening in their bodies, negatively.


    It's not always an aberration. Sometimes it's just common sense.

    There are a few members of any given species who will always kill their young, regardless of circumstance. They are aberrations. But others who do so when they know that it's a really bad time to have offspring are not. The latter is more common than the former.
    The general regard of reproduction as a negative is an aberration. There's certainly no species where it's the norm.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you are basing your position on current price structures and mechanisms.... and that's a fatal flaw.
    for instance, if the market opened up for insulin, we could have more than 2 companies who provide it ( 1 company, lilly, has a monoploy .. defined as more than 80% of market share).. insulin run about 50-55 bucks a vial ,wholesale... and we can't even blame pharmacies for the retail prices, as most sell insulin at a loss ( they recoup the loss through the sales of syringes, monitors,accessories etc)
    you can thank your government for providing the monopoly... and thus, the prices... hooray for public medical policy and market manipulation!
    Are we now discussing the high cost of medical expenses in the US> If you look at countries with national health care their costs are not nearly as high. The US has helped raise the prices because of insurance companies and people wanting them to control their health care. The US is only best in health care when it comes to cost.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What kind of "sick" are you referring to?
    Read post 313 and you will see.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I go back to the fact that my taxes are used toward the military and i do not support anything they do. Nothing. Yet i pay that and don't whine.
    Comparing military and welfare programs is not workable.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health and Reproductive Systems?
    Equality demands that all voters have an equal say in all maters of public policy regardles of sex.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Comparing military and welfare programs is not workable.
    Well it is, actually. I am a Buddhist. I don't approve of war, yet my taxes and yours are used to kill people. I don't support it, but I pay my taxes. Other religions and my government never asked me if I was OK with that. I'm expected to pay for the U.S. military in the ME. I pay, while at the same time I am religiously opposed.










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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    She's entitled to the opinion, of course, but "justified" is another argument.
    Why wouldn't she be justified? Whether it is or not is subject to her opinion, and hers alone. No one can present her with an argument for why she's wrong.

    Like which ones?
    Mares and male pipefish (the males carry the pregnancy) are a couple who can abort. Kangaroos, rodents, bears, etc can delay pregnancy.

    Then that's something other than regarding the pregnancy, the process happening in their bodies, negatively.
    Usually their environment. But the result is that it's a bad time for young. Thus, the pregnancy is bad.

    The general regard of reproduction as a negative is an aberration. There's certainly no species where it's the norm.
    You mean as in the case of myself? Yes, granted. But plenty of non-aberrant people and animals may view pregnancy as bad under certain circumstances.

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