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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Harry, your insistence on using "uninsurable events" is useless to the argument because, if all the things you claim to be the culprits to our high cost of insurance - werent LEGALLY making insurance companies tons money...their lobbyists would make sure that Congress outlaw the need for companies to insure such uninsurable events.
    They are uninsurable events if you go by the standards of what is and is not traditionally insurable.
    No where did I say, that insurance companies couldn't make a profit from these venues.

    You're creating straw men here.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Not sure, He keeps saying how he is paying for women's health as if it's a one way street.
    He wasn't saying it that way at all; it's you who's adding that baggage, while again going on about "putting words in mouths":

    Some people put words in others mouths without really reading context.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    8.3% of Americans have diabetes
    11.8% of Americans have heart disease
    19.3% of Americans are considered disabled
    That's about 40% of America that would be bankrupt because of illness just with those three categories. So most Americans would be just fine huh?
    you are basing your position on current price structures and mechanisms.... and that's a fatal flaw.
    for instance, if the market opened up for insulin, we could have more than 2 companies who provide it ( 1 company, lilly, has a monoploy .. defined as more than 80% of market share).. insulin run about 50-55 bucks a vial ,wholesale... and we can't even blame pharmacies for the retail prices, as most sell insulin at a loss ( they recoup the loss through the sales of syringes, monitors,accessories etc)
    you can thank your government for providing the monopoly... and thus, the prices... hooray for public medical policy and market manipulation!

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    I wonder how we would react if a female dominant society wanted to pass a law requiring a man to wear a condom when having sex unless his partner gave him express permission otherwise. Would we object to women making laws to control issues of men's health and reproduction?
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are uninsurable events if you go by the standards of what is and is not traditionally insurable.
    No where did I say, that insurance companies couldn't make a profit from these venues.

    You're creating straw men here.
    I hope like hell that I never have to buy insurance from you - should you ever own a major insurance company.

    It's obvious that my having a stroke and heart surgery nearly 2 years ago...I would have been abandoned from getting help at any hospital...because the HARRY Insurance company told them you'd not pay.

    But you wouldn't hesitate to take my premiums....right?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, I'm not saying that women should have their ovaries removed, boobs cut off or anything like that.
    I'm saying that, in all fairness, you shouldn't expect me to help pay for something and then tell me to shut up about it.
    So vasectomies are fine by you, Harry?

    You are a reasonable and intelligence guy, Harry. I often respect your opinion, but I'd prefer my wife and daughters be free to make their own decisions.










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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I hope like hell that I never have to buy insurance from you - should you ever own a major insurance company.

    It's obvious that my having a stroke and heart surgery nearly 2 years ago...I would have been abandoned from getting help at any hospital...because the HARRY Insurance company told them you'd not pay.

    But you wouldn't hesitate to take my premiums....right?
    You basically just made up a whole bunch of stuff, not related at all, to what I said.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    This entire topic is in-fecking-sane! Imma step right out here and tell the truth. I love women. My daughters are women, my wife is a women. Hell, even my own mother was a woman! God bless them all!

    Let's get serious for a minute. Until men can become pregnant birthing is a woman's choice. God in heaven, can't you all get over it long enough to admit that women are often capable of making good decisions, equal to men. Imagine that?

    Why not leave women the hell alone or let the women of America determine male reproductive rights and procedures? You guys ready for that? Maybe women decide men should have their nuts lopped off at 60, that's OK with you?
    wierd.. i love women too... especially my wife and daughters.... and they love me back.
    they love me so much that they don't tell me things like " you're a man, you have no say in our health choices"... and we talk and talk and talk and we make decisions together.
    I love them so much i offer advice and support to them in their health decisions without saying " hey you're a woman, don't talk to me about your health issues, I don't care what you do"

    there is no gender war in my house.. we don't disallow anyone from having a say based on gender.

    I guess i live in a really weird household.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    So vasectomies are fine by you, Harry?

    You are a reasonable and intelligence guy, Harry. I often respect your opinion, but I'd prefer my wife and daughters be free to make their own decisions.
    1. Having a say, doesn't mean anyone has to listen to you.
    2. I'm just saying that it isn't morally right to make someone help pay for something, without allowing them input.
    3. I'm perfectly fine, with women and their medical professionals, making their own decisions.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Nope. But since the biology is irrelevant and "attack" is not a biological word, I don't see what that has to do with anything.
    Only because you said you like to approach these things based on science. In this case, though, you're not.


    When I said it could be considered an attack, you said it couldn't because it is "natural." Then you moved the goal post to "normal, internal." Neither negates that it may be an attack. The biology of it is irrelevant.
    I said all along that pregnancy was the proper function of the organ, and thus it isn't an "attack," but exactly what the organ is supposed to do. That negates it being an "attack" as you defined it, as you referenced outside organisms "attacking" the body.

    Pregnancy, in some cases, is regarded in some sort of negative light (attack, a disadvantage, doomed, or any number of other things) by many different species all over nature, including humans. We're not unique in that way. Some animals can "abort" whereas others will simply kill their young. Regarding pregnancy and reproducing as a negative is just as natural as doing the opposite, though less common.
    What other species "regard" pregnancy negatively?

    As for regarding reproduction as a negative, that's a biological aberration when it happens (though I don't think it does in quite the manner you're implying). And it has to be; any species in which it's normal won't survive.
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