View Poll Results: Do Men Have the Right to Control Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If insurance companies were not forced to cover these things en mass and the government didn't restrict pricing, your insurance would either, not cover that or you'd be paying a much higher premium.

    This is just proof in the pudding that most folks don't understand what insurance is.
    Insurance is twofold and there are some as you say for catastrophic events. There are others as health insurance that help pay the bills. Health care is the most important thing in a nation. The more sick days the more down time at work. The less production. That is why many of the good nations have universal health care coverage. They insure for preventative care rather than the US where prevention is less covered than needs of the moment.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nope, they are required by law to cover many things, that are not typically insurable events, so they price it into the premium.
    That's why insurance is so expensive.

    I disagree, that BC and Abortions (aside from treating catastrophic loss) should be covered under insurance plans.
    I'm forced to pay for "women health issues and reproductive systems" through this and I should have a say.
    Harry, disagree until the sun falls out of the sky. You need to inform all Heath insurance companies that they are ****ing up big time.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nope, they are required by law to cover many things, that are not typically insurable events, so they price it into the premium.
    That's why insurance is so expensive.

    I disagree, that BC and Abortions (aside from treating catastrophic loss) should be covered under insurance plans.
    I'm forced to pay for "women health issues and reproductive systems" through this and I should have a say.
    No, you aren't. You haven't paid a dime for my insurance. I have. I've paid it for decades, when it was just money going into the pockets of the insurance company, and nothing coming back out... because I had no prescription medications, I had no serious health issues, nor did the rest of my family. Now I do have serious health issues, and insurance covers them... insurance is paying for my health issues with the premiums I paid for decades, and they're going to get a profit out of me no matter how long I live.

    Despite your insistance that your money is being used, it's not. You're simply trying a left-field rationalization about why women's health issues are your business, when they most assuredly are not.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Insurance is twofold and there are some as you say for catastrophic events. There are others as health insurance that help pay the bills. Health care is the most important thing in a nation. The more sick days the more down time at work. The less production. That is why many of the good nations have universal health care coverage. They insure for preventative care rather than the US where prevention is less covered than needs of the moment.
    The health care we receive is actually a 1st world problem, it's not as important, then what people make it out to be.
    The overwhelming vast majority of people, would get a long just fine, if medical insurance were as I described.

    With the savings on that, we could finance a better government disability system.

    Preventative medicine is actually a negative in terms of medical costs, long term.
    The longer someone lives, to more money they will cost, especially if they make it to their elder years.
    Where medical costs are the most for the average person.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It is natural for your body to do all kinds of things that we consider negative, preferencially. Vomiting is usually something your body does in self-defense. It's a perfectly natural and good and properly-functioning response. Doesn't change that you can still vomit yourself to death, and that we prefer to avoid it by getting flu shots, for example.

    It's also natural for your body to go into menopause, but the problem with this is that in a state of nature, for many women, it means your days are very numbered. So for these women, we treat them, because they can have another 30 or 40 years of life if we do so. Menopause is perfectly natural, and there's a very good reason why it can deterorate your health. You won't produce healthy offspring at that age. The same happens to men, we're learning.

    Our bodies do all kinds of things that can hurt us, but are there for very good reasons. Things we may not wish to happen. So we stop them. Same with pregnancy. We have been aborting pregnancies since the very eariliest civilizations. Abortion is, in fact, part of our natural behavior. There are even other species who abort in their own way.

    Furthermore, why isn't it an attack? Who cares if it is natural and part of your own body?

    Any time your body or mind becomes endangered by something against your will, that can be qualified as an attack. Unwanted pregnancy is most certainly an attack, both physically and mentally.
    Vomiting is also a proper function of your body, and it's beneficial to you. It may not be pleasant -- neither is a fever -- but it's your body doing what it's supposed to do.

    If you want to consider pregnancy an "attack," then consider it an attack. It's simply not a scientific view, though; it's no more an "attack" than your hair growing or your blood pumping. It's an organ doing exactly what it's supposed to do.

    And it's not even a value judgment shared by many. It's definitely not an objective view.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, you aren't. You haven't paid a dime for my insurance. I have. I've paid it for decades, when it was just money going into the pockets of the insurance company, and nothing coming back out... because I had no prescription medications, I had no serious health issues, nor did the rest of my family. Now I do have serious health issues, and insurance covers them... insurance is paying for my health issues with the premiums I paid. Despite your insistance that your money is being used, it's not. You're simply trying a left-field rationalization about why women's health issues are your business, when they most assuredly are not.
    You agreed to pay premiums for coverage for those specific years, knowing that you wouldn't get anything, unless something bad happened.
    So you actually got something, it just wasn't physical in nature.

    I'm rationalizing that, If I have to pay premiums on coverage for issues related to vagina's and females breasts, when I have neither, I'm certainly subsidizing those who do have them.
    My insurance is required to have coverage for these things, when neither me, nor my kids have female body parts.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The health care we receive is actually a 1st world problem, it's not as important, then what people make it out to be.


    Preventative medicine is actually a negative in terms of medical costs, long term.
    The longer someone lives, to more money they will cost, especially if they make it to their elder years.
    Where medical costs are the most for the average person.
    Harry, please you are embarrassing yourself....

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    None of the poll questions reflect what I believe because they are biased.

    Men have a right to vote just like women do. Men have absolutely every right to have their votes, beliefs, and opinions enacted and listened to in regards to the abortion issue.
    Do you think then, Digs, if the subject were put on the next ballot that the nation would vote to support abortion and contraception paid for by employer, you'd be willing to accept and live by the results of such a vote?










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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Harry, disagree until the sun falls out of the sky. You need to inform all Heath insurance companies that they are ****ing up big time.
    Insurance companies are required, by law, to cover these things.
    Informing them, would be preaching to the choir.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Harry, please you are embarrassing yourself....
    How so?

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