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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Well, I'm glad that my prescription insurance company doesn't agree with you.
    If insurance companies were not forced to cover these things en mass and the government didn't restrict pricing, your insurance would either, not cover that or you'd be paying a much higher premium.

    This is just proof in the pudding that most folks don't understand what insurance is.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Not really. In a state of nature, keeping life expectancy short is crucial to keeping the planet inhabitable and helping to sustain cycles that allow everything else to live.


    And parasites are supposed to kill you. Are you going to let them?
    Not all. I thought you were referring to "beneficial" as in, say, the bacteria in your digestive system. But I guess you're referring to harmful parasites and attackers and saying the "benefit" is in population control.

    But parasites or attackers trying to kill you aren't a natural part of the functioning of your own body. Your reproductive system is. What it does when it's working properly isn't an "attack" on you.


    Biological function is not more "correct" than preference. It's just the default. The default is not inherently better or worse than anything else. There's no reason why just because it's the "default" means it's "good." The two have nothing to do with each other.
    I didn't say it was "good" or "better" or "worse" or anything like that. I only say that it's biological, scientific fact. What you choose to add on to it comes from something other than science.


    By the way, birth is also something that kept life expectancy short. It was (and in many places still is) the leading killer of women.
    I have no reason to deny this; it's pretty much beside the point.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Actually, according to your definition of health insurance...let's not have any at all.

    Harry, your wrong about the purpose of health insurance.
    Not really.
    Wikipedia has some great articles on insurance and insurability.

    Take a gander at it.

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Insurability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is the purpose of health insurance. It may not be the purpose of fire insurance but it is the sole purpose of health insurance.
    Insurance, in any scenario is supposed to be a hedge against loss, most often, catastrophic loss for the insured.
    Health insurance used to operate off this scenario too, instead of contracting with hospitals, doctors, etc.

    They used to pay out a cash lump sum, to cover the loss.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really.
    Wikipedia has some great articles on insurance and insurability.

    Take a gander at it.

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Insurability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And you point is? Do you think underwriters are stupid? We get the benefit of hedging loss. The insurance companies the the benefit of controlling you life and make a ton of money doing it.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not all. I thought you were referring to "beneficial" as in, say, the bacteria in your digestive system. But I guess you're referring to harmful parasites and attackers and saying the "benefit" is in population control.

    But parasites or attackers trying to kill you aren't a natural part of the functioning of your own body. Your reproductive system is. What it does when it's working properly isn't an "attack" on you.
    It is natural for your body to do all kinds of things that we consider negative, preferencially. Vomiting is usually something your body does in self-defense. It's a perfectly natural and good and properly-functioning response. Doesn't change that you can still vomit yourself to death, and that we prefer to avoid it by getting flu shots, for example.

    It's also natural for your body to go into menopause, but the problem with this is that in a state of nature, for many women, it means your days are very numbered. So for these women, we treat them, because they can have another 30 or 40 years of life if we do so. Menopause is perfectly natural, and there's a very good reason why it can deterorate your health. You won't produce healthy offspring at that age. The same happens to men, we're learning.

    Our bodies do all kinds of things that can hurt us, but are there for very good reasons. Things we may not wish to happen. So we stop them. Same with pregnancy. We have been aborting pregnancies since the very eariliest civilizations. Abortion is, in fact, part of our natural behavior. There are even other species who abort in their own way.

    Furthermore, why isn't it an attack? Who cares if it is natural and part of your own body?

    Any time your body or mind becomes endangered by something against your will, that can be qualified as an attack. Unwanted pregnancy is most certainly an attack, both physically and mentally.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    And you point is? Do you think underwriters are stupid? We get the benefit of hedging loss. The insurance companies the the benefit of controlling you life and make a ton of money doing it.
    Nope, they are required by law to cover many things, that are not typically insurable events, so they price it into the premium.
    That's why insurance is so expensive.

    I disagree, that BC and Abortions (aside from treating catastrophic loss) should be covered under insurance plans.
    I'm forced to pay for "women health issues and reproductive systems" through this and I should have a say.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So...if you have diabetes...too bad for you, huh? If health insurance worked as you opine...most people would be in financial ruin.
    with something so prevalent as insulin, i would wager unit prices on it would be dramatically lowered if an open market was where you'd find it.... but there is no open market for it today, the consumer is completely disconnected from the supplier.

    insurance companies are the only market forces that are present in the medical world.. you and me don't matter... market value doesn't matter.
    it's even worse for services ( xrays, cat scans, etc)... those are completely arbitrary values.. and all of them are unjustifiably expensive

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It is natural for your body to do all kinds of things that we consider negative, preferencially. Vomiting is usually something your body does in self-defense. It's a perfectly natural and good and properly-functioning response. Doesn't change that you can still vomit yourself to death, and that we prefer to avoid it by getting flu shots, for example.

    It's also natural for your body to go into menopause, but the problem with this is that in a state of nature, for many women, it means your days are very numbered. So for these women, we treat them, because they can have another 30 or 40 years of life if we do so. Menopause is perfectly natural, and there's a very good reason why it can deterorate your health. You won't produce healthy offspring at that age. The same happens to men, we're learning.

    Our bodies do all kinds of things that can hurt us, but are there for very good reasons. Things we may not wish to happen. So we stop them. Same with pregnancy. We have been aborting pregnancies since the very eariliest civilizations. Abortion is, in fact, part of our natural behavior. There are even other species who abort in their own way.

    Furthermore, why isn't it an attack? Who cares if it is natural and part of your own body?

    Any time your body or mind becomes endangered by something against your will, that can be qualified as an attack. Unwanted pregnancy is most certainly an attack, both physically and mentally.
    Explaining the birds and bees is an exercise in futility.

    We first learned this past week at the conservatives hearings on birth control that they aren't so clear on how birth control actually works.

    Now I'm learning that they think your personal insurance premiums are precisely equal to what your insurance company pays out in your name.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Yeah, insulin would be relatively cheap. There's certainly enough of a market for it.
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