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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Do you pay for them? In what way? Just askin as I am not sure how you pay.
    Taxes or legislative mandates.
    Things like that.

    Affording one a benefit, at the expense of another, while not allowing them a say, is morally wrong.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Insurance covering things like BC, etc, should never really be part of insurance.
    I guess that should apply to all preventative medications, huh?

    And appearently you, like many other men don't know that BCPs are also used for a variety of medical treatment.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Do you pay for them? In what way? Just askin as I am not sure how you pay.
    No ...most like he doesnt

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You argue well and don't let emotion get the better of you, which puts you in the upper crust of debate, so I appreciate that. It looks like we've arrived at point where you have one view, I have another, we've both made our cases, and that's that.

    I would suggest, though, that you consider the idea that you have the right to decide what to do with your body (which I agree with, so don't read this incorrectly) isn't based in science, but is a value judgment.
    It is that too. I factor science into the equation, because it helps us answer a lot of questions about the relevant factors - what is and isn't a person, for example.

    But the scientific basis of this is only one half of the debate for me. The other half is indeed a value judgment.

    I would probably make the case either way that the ZEF is an aggressor upon the woman's body. And that instantly entitles her to defense, in much the same way she can protect herself from attack or parasites. However, the context of the debate would change significantly if there was any reason to believe a ZEF qualified for personhood. My stance would probably be more strict and I would conduct my sex life differently. Just like my stance would shift if any aspect of reproduction were different from how it actually is.

    I think it is ethically difficult to make the case that someone cannot defend themselves against an aggressor. People do it - pacifists, for example. But it's a hard sell, and not something I buy in any other arena, so there's no reason I'd buy it here.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    umm.. we have a say in our federal government....in fact, this issue surrounds that very notion.
    No you don't...

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I guess that should apply to all preventative medications, huh?

    And appearently you, like many other men don't know that BCPs are also used for a variety of medical treatment.
    I'm aware of that, but covering maintenance medication is still, not an insurable event.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Should women be allowed to have an opinion about abortion when the fetus is male?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm not even slightly trying to be "cute." I meant it.
    So you are a Libertarian who's in favor of the government telling grown adults what safety equipment they must, under the law, wear, telling food manufacturers what they must eliminate from their products, telling restaurants what they are and are not allowed to serve, and basically controlling with an iron fist every facet of every citizen's personal life and personal decisions. Gotcha.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Taxes or legislative mandates.
    Things like that.

    Affording one a benefit, at the expense of another, while not allowing them a say, is morally wrong.
    How do your tax dollars go toward paying for abortions? Nvm
    So since 1973 you personally may have paid for one abortion. You would rather pay for the care of all those unwanted children. I can understand that you would much rather pay ten times the amount you have paid toward abortions for their care. Okay you have a valid point thanks.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm aware of that, but covering maintenance medication is still, not an insurable event.
    Really? You mean like insulin, AIDS meds, etc?

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