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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm certainly not discussing anything you say in this post, that's for sure.
    So what facet of women's health are you concerned about, vaginal discharge? What their cycle is? What please share with the class if it's not abortion?
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    You take it to far as is usually the case when debating pretenders to the anti choice movement. If you are in a relationship and you both want children of course you wouldn't use a condom. If you are not in that sort of relationship you should always use one. If you really do care about abortions. Why should a woman who is PRO CHOICE take precautions? She will just have an abortion. I am pretty sure most women who are anti choice do something to prevent pregnancy.
    You're proving the notion that you're a partisan, unfortunately.

    How can I debate you when you assume such an unreasonable pov?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I also want the right to not wear my seat belt.
    Or not to carry health insurance.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm just relieved to find out that the only reason to wear a condom is whether or not you want a baby popping out 9 months later.

    That takes a load off my mind. I could've swore I had heard at some point condoms had some other purpose that was as, if not more, important. Guess I must've been imagining that.

    Go ahead ladies...and men too...if you don't want kids and don't care about abortions **** all you want san's condoms. That's the smart thing to do.
    There are a lot of reason's but since we seem to be talking about abortion why mention all of the others. This response just shows you really don't have much of an argument to refute what I've said and the position represented in your posts may not be what you believe at all.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health and Reproductive Systems?

    1. Yes?

    2. No?

    3. Under Certain Circumstances (Briefly list what circumstance(s))

    4. Does a male dominated government have the right to legislate controls over women's health issues and reproduction?

    5. Does a male dominated religion have the right, through its teachings and doctrine, to have to control over women's health issues and reproduction ?
    Generally speaking: no.

    But when it comes to a long-term or committed relationship each person has a responsibility not just to consider their views and feelings but to instead consider theirs AND their partners (etc). (examples: parent/minor child, committed partners married or not) - which centers around compromise, respect and all those other things.

    I dont' expect that to be found outside of these relationships - and most certainly perfect strangers should have no such influence over others.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    No it is not up to them together to decide anything and they rarely do. In LTR's they may but for the most part that is not true. IF a male is anti choice he should find out if the woman is pro choice. If he is anti choice he should be aware that at least half of the women support choice. Both are not responsible at all.
    Look at it this way. If I were a heterosexual anti choice woman, I would be on birth control and demand the male wear a condom. If I were that same woman but pro choice why do I care? I can always have an abortion so would you not say an anti choice male should wear a condom in that case. If he did he would have a 90% or better chance of preventing pregnancy. That just makes sense.
    Half or better in the US are pro choice. So why should the other half simply bend to the whim of the anti choice people?
    Of course the man should know who he's possibly making a baby with and the consequences of such. Of course a man should wear a condom if he doesn't want to make a baby. It's very simple to use protection. Why would a pro-abortion woman NOT take that simple precaution so she won't have to go to all the trouble of going to the doctor, paying her copays, going through the "surgery", missing work and possibly hurting her partner in the process? It would be stupid to not use protection all the time if you don't want a baby. It's simple, it's cheap and it's responsible.


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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    So what facet of women's health are you concerned about, vaginal discharge? What their cycle is? What please share with the class if it's not abortion?
    Katie, I'm not even going to bother with you if that's the way you're going to be.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet it will survive for at least a time, so it does have an existence apart from the woman's body is not a mere clump of cells. It's an "existing life." It seems to me a "continuum" is just a way to dehumanize it -- it's a life or it isn't; there aren't degrees.

    If you want to put those kinds of degrees in, then how is someone who has very little awareness a "life"? Or anyone else who can't survive without intervention, such as any newborn?
    Yes, perhaps so. It may even survive in the long run, though it's unlikely.

    When discussing an individual 7-month-old fetus, if it survives, it's a life. If it doesn't, it never was because it never possessed the ability to survive. That is fairly simple. But the journey from A to B has many shades of gray when you're talking about the larger concept of "all 7-month-old fetuses." Each individual 7-month-old fetus will be somewhere slightly different on that continuum.

    I'm not devaluing it. Again, I have not argued in favor of abortion at this stage, except in medical cases.

    A fetus starts moving and interacting with its environment within three months, usually less. How "late" did you have in mind?
    Terri Shaivo could move. She was in no way interested in her survival. She was simply reflexive, because some of her brain stem was still somewhat intact. Nerve ticks do not equal life. A severed tail can have nerve ticks.

    Brain development indicitive of some sort of awareness and life develops somewhere around 25 weeks, as I understand it.

    Insofar as it's true (the "woman's body" can't spontaneously do it, of course) that's true of any born person.
    Yes. But what they were isn't terribly important. What they are now is what matters.

    No, I don't think it makes you more neutral or dispassionate; it's just a different point of view from most.
    Perhaps. I'm certainly not dispassionate, but I share this degree of passion with most other issues of personal agency. Neutral? Maybe not. I obviously have a vested interest in being pro-choice. But I also have absolutely no valid reason to oppose it objectively.

    If I did, I am the sort of person who is willing to make my life very difficult for the sake of my ethics, and I would probably choose celibacy over risk of having to have an abortion. But as it stands, I see no reason to.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, we can play your game if you wish. Who exactly are you to vote on anything that affects men?

    But I understand. You're a partisan, and I can accept that.

    What you need to understand is that not everyone shares your beliefs. Not every woman views the unborn child as a lump of cells. Not every person lacks a conscience regarding the importance of life.

    Not everyone believes that the life developing inside of you has absolutely no right and can be ripped apart at any given moment. The issue is indeed about the unborn child; you cannot ignore reality and continue going about, sitting on your biscuit, assuming to be taken seriously. You must acknowledge that there is discussion on the existence of a seperate life that has the right to live. To ignore that reality is to ignore the fact that many other people have totally different perspectives. Imo, both man and woman should use birth control. Actually, I'd rather people had the responsibility and maturity to not have sex without the means to pay for the consequences. It takes two to make a baby, and just because the baby develops in her body, that doesn't erase the fact that the man was also a part of its creation. Both should take precautions, instead of placing all of the responsibility on just one sex.



    You're also saying that not wearing a condom makes you pro-choice. Wow. I suppose liking the rainbow makes one gay.
    I have stated repeatedly that half of the people don't agree with me. So I am not sure where you get the idea that I think everyone does share my view. Why should a woman who is pro choice take precautions? Why? If she doesn't care and see just a lump of cells why should she care or do anything. That is presumptuous and arrogant on your part. You're expecting someone who doesn't see things as you do to be concerned. Where do you get the idea that she should? If you are concerned wear a condom is that asking males to do so much? I think that's pretty reasonable. Then that male does what he can to prevent abortion. If he doesn't and the woman he gets pregnant has an abortion what does that say about his anti choice stance?
    It says his position is all talk.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I have stated repeatedly that half of the people don't agree with me. So I am not sure where you get the idea that I think everyone does share my view. Why should a woman who is pro choice take precautions?
    You're ignoring the answers to this question.


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