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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I have no say in your health issues no. None and why would I think I should?
    So you weren't supportive of government mandating health care coverage or even potentially moving to a single payer health care system?

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    WOW....

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Why do you think I'm obligated to be concerned about a pro-choice woman's feelings?
    When did I say you were?


    We have all been fetuses.
    So?



    You're saying I have the right to control women?
    Absolutely not. i am saying that if you are concerned about abortion you should use a condom don't expect her to care about you.



    Why is the duty of care on me?
    The duty is on you if you are anti choice. If you are pro choice than it's no ones duty. If she aborts the fetus it's obviously no sweat to you as you prove by all your responses you are pro choice or just don't care.


    No, that would make me a victim of negligence.
    Why is a woman who is pro choice obligated to protect you. That's as arrogant as I have heard.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I tend to agree with you.

    As a woman is not only pro-choice but also childfree, I assume 100% of the responsibility for preventing pregnancy, to the extent of keeping my own stash of condoms, putting them on myself, and paying for 100% of any other contraceptive I may use. The reason is this.

    Any man who gets involved with me knows before we ever had sex what my position is. He has no say in it, and I make that clear. He can choose at that point whether to have sex with me or not. Yes, he has to wear a condom, but that is for both of our benefits beyond just preventing pregnancy and I am assuming all responsibility for providing them and applying them. I don't care if he never buys the condoms for the entire duration of our relationship.

    Because if that is how I'm going to operate, if I am going to assume 100% of the decision-making power for pregnancy without accepting any input, then I also assume 100% of the responsibility for my own reproductive choices. The man has zero burden to provide me with anything, ever, under any circumstances.

    When we make a choice, we assume responsibility for that choice. And honestly, I think feminists who believe their choices are someone else's responsibility, even in part, are degrading the compitence of women.
    I like to keep things simple. Both man and woman have exactly equal responsibility in having a child and caring for it. I would love to see further measures to ensure that deadbeat men or women take responsibility for the life the are bringing into this world.

    Ansd I agree with that 100% Furthermore, condoms can break. If all of the responsibility is put on the man and his condom breaks, well, oh snap. My sister uses this certain kind of birth control where they place some sort of thing into her arm. The name eludes me but it's effective birth control and she never has to worry. My utter dislike of abortion makes me a firm believer of easily accessible birth control; in a perfect world I'd like to see men and women who are responsible enough to abstain from sex before marriage, and use birth control effectively during marriage, as they wish.

    I think the man, if he gets the woman pregnant, must assume/be forced to have the burden of caring for the child, whether it be child support, etc.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    No... I have to disagree with this on behalf of the children.

    A complete upbringing requires a committed father figure. This is especially the case for boys.
    No it doesn't. Lesbian couples are quite capable of raising well-adjusted children. A single parent isn't ideal, but mine (my father) was extremely capable. But also, what about adoption and abortion? You're assuming the only choice is to have a child and keep it.

    This is nice of you, but nobody is competent to parent a child on one's own.
    It's irrelevant to my position. Because my position is that I will never bear a child. In essence, what I am assuming responsibility for is 100% of the cost of an abortion, in addition to all measures I use to prevent needing to have an abortion.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I could've swore I had heard at some point condoms had some other purpose that was as, if not more, important. Guess I must've been imagining that.
    Well, it's certainly more immediate.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That statement is a bit off, since you're basically stating that pro-life men should never have sex without condoms, even though those men will undoubtedly be having families. Why do you seem to focus only on the men when it comes to pro-life men? There may be quite a few pro-life women as well.

    Why shouldn't women, as well, take the necessary precautions? Men are taken out of the abortion issue, yet now you would say only men should protect themselves? If you state that abortions would decrease if 85% of men wore condoms. Logic dictates that abortions would decrease even more if women were as responsible as the men in using protection. Is it not enough to make contraceptives easier to obtain? Now only men have to be responsible, even though it take two to make a baby?
    You take it to far as is usually the case when debating pretenders to the anti choice movement. If you are in a relationship and you both want children of course you wouldn't use a condom. If you are not in that sort of relationship you should always use one. If you really do care about abortions. Why should a woman who is PRO CHOICE take precautions? She will just have an abortion. I am pretty sure most women who are anti choice do something to prevent pregnancy.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Remember when some of the most fanatic pro-life people go on and on about how pro-choicers use abortion as birth control and how some women just want abortions to be common place and as standard as going on the pill?

    Remember when a lot of pro-choicers say that no one thinks that way and they feel a woman's body is her own and the government shouldn't restrict it but people don't want women to be using it like birth control or that they're in favor of it just being an every day type of thing?

    The majority of pro-lifer's on this forum show why the over generalization of the first paragraph is ridiculous.

    Katiegrrl sadly however is a primary example of why the over generalization of the second paragraph is as well.

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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    I'm taking the poll on face value. Men have a right to opinion about women's issues, just as women have a right to an opinion about male issues. Nobody has the right to enforce their beliefs on another person's body. No government, no religion, nobody.

    Religions have the right to preach their beliefs about women's reproductive health, but it has no right to try to codify those beliefs into law and force them on an unwilling populace. Religion does not have the right to single women out by insisting that health insurance not cover needed hormonal therapies while needed male hormonal therapies are covered.

    Government does not have the right to implement laws that force unwanted, unneeded medical procedures on unwilling women who are choosing a legal, constitutionally-protected procedure. Government does not have the right to implement laws that affect women's reproductive health and freedoms.

    As for the idea that having women's reproductive health covered by health insurance is a "taxpayer subsidy", that's rubbish, just as it's rubbish to say that men's reproductive heath being covered by health insurance (hormonal therapies, prostate medication, testicular issues) is a "taxpayer subsidy." Health care is meant for the care of people's health, the health of their entire bodies whether that body is male or female. To separate the genders and single out females for reduction in their health care insurance is by definition misogynistic discrimination, pure and simple.
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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Why should a woman who is PRO CHOICE take precautions?
    So she won't have to go to all the trouble of going to the doctor and getting her baby sucked out of her womb? So she won't get into a legal mess when the father of the baby wants to keep the child? Because she might be a good person that doesn't want to cause pain to her partner by killing his child when she knows he wouldn't want that?


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    Re: Do MEN have a Right to CONTROL Women's Health Issues and Reproductive Systems?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    WOW....
    ROFLMAO...

    So?
    Are you saying we should be ageists?

    Absolutely not. i am saying that if you are concerned about abortion you should use a condom don't expect her to care about you.
    ...but you said I don't have to be concerned about a pro-choice woman's feelings. What's the problem with control?

    The duty is on you if you are anti choice.
    Ought implies can. How can I have a duty without rights?

    If you are pro choice than it's no ones duty. If she aborts the fetus it's obviously no sweat to you as you prove by all your responses you are pro choice or just don't care.
    Actually, aborting fetuses destroys epistemic closure.

    Why is a woman who is pro choice obligated to protect you. That's as arrogant as I have heard.
    Why is a pro-choice woman entitled to ignore our mutual participation with the rule of law?

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