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  • People have no right to die under any circumstance

    15 18.52%
  • Only terminally ill people have the right to die

    5 6.17%
  • People have the right to die, but healthcare professionals should not aid in the process

    11 13.58%
  • People have the right to die, and healthcare professionals should be allowed to assist suicide

    46 56.79%
  • Suicide attempts should not be a criminal offense

    26 32.10%
  • Suicide attempts should be illegal

    11 13.58%
  • other

    8 9.88%
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice For All View Post
    Honestly who would want the job of killing sick and mentally ill people day after day. If people want to die maybe they should be allowed to buy cyanide pills with morphine and do it themselves but to ask doctors to do this in their job description is just wrong. These people study and fork out money for years of their life to save peoples lives why should we put this negative aspect into their job description.
    Because sometimes that is the kindest act of all.

    Doctors are not unmoved by their terminally-ill patients' suffering..
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    Re: Right to die

    I actually think there is more "euthanasia" going on than one would suspect. Stop and think about it. If one is terminally ill and wants to end one's life, all one has to do is ask to be heavily medicated for pain to the point of stupor...instruct people around them not to give them any water...then will go into cardiac arrest in three days. It's not as pleasant as it could be, but it works.

    Those people who are paralyzed and don't wish to continue living can refuse medical treatment for things like pneumonia and other life-threatening illnesses...and so instruct their healthcare powers of attorney.

    Those stroke victims who cannot feed themselves can refuse food and will die in three weeks.
    It can be done, it's just a shame it can't be done more easily.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    (1) It is certainly beneficial to life as well. It helps us realize that we do have limitations. It makes people more apt to realize that they should not take their days of life for granted because they are limited. It also can encourage people to try to live healthier lives that are balanced.

    (2) And there are definitely harmful effects to allowing people or worse, forcing people, to live in immense pain and suffering just for us. Some people hold on too long and harm others just to keep a person alive who wants to die in peace.

    (3) Have you ever seen the movie "My Sister's Keeper"? I love that movie and seems a good example of how keeping a person alive who would rather die can be harmful to others and can negatively effect, even physically, the lives of others.

    (4) I also think of the people in my life who died in hospitals because we as a society want to prolong life so long that the remaining years end up being almost torture for many people. And it isn't always the family either. The hospital told my mother that if she took my grandmother out for my wedding and my grandmother died, that my mother could be held responsible. My grandmother died a couple of weeks later in the hospital. She missed out on seeing any of her grandchildren get married because we can't see that death is a natural part of life.
    (1) You make good points. You're making me rethink my position, lol.

    (2) That too is true.

    (3) I've never seen the movie, but I'll be seeing it soon since it seems interesting.

    (4) THIS is true. During my med-surg clinicals, we'd see certain people that have suffered terrible bed sores, dehydration, lack of care, etc. And with this worsening economy it stands to reason that with less money less care will follow.

    You're pulling on my heartstrings, Rogue.

    I suppose I could shift my pov on this, but then if it turns out, after death, that the Bible was indeed infallible... well, that may be a bad thing for me. It's something to think on and discuss with family, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    What about those who are brain dead and have been living on life support for many months/years?

    Are YOU going to pay the millions of dollars to keep them alive if the family simply cannot afford it and/or doesn't want them to continue living in that condition?
    Well, the thing with brain-dead people is that they cannot really make a decision to die, at that moment. It's usually up to the family/spouse, etc. I forgot the clinical term, but I believe there are orders a person can give that contains the person't orders should said person be put in a coma. Perhaps you have a point on that issue. If I am against assisted-suicide, it seems I would also have to be against the death of those in comas.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    What does that have to do with anything, Tecoyah? Do you think that question is going to change our beliefs on suicide? Why believe theft is a sin, either?

    Your reasoning for your position was that it is stated in the Bible...those items I listed are also in the Bible, and so I used them to point out certain inefficiencies in your stance.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Your reasoning for your position was that it is stated in the Bible...those items I listed are also in the Bible, and so I used them to point out certain inefficiencies in your stance.
    So because I don't stone homosexuals [assuming that's even in the NT], I shouldn't have any Biblical stance on suicide?

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    Re: Right to die

    I believe everyone has the right to die. I believe physicians should be legally allowed to assist suicidal patients, if the situation does not conflict with their own personal convictions. No one has the right to tell me I cannot die with dignity at a time and by the method of my choosing. And yet the "law" does just that.

    That said, I do not believe that society should encourage suicide per se. Suicidal people should be offered aid and assistance in coping with the reasons they no longer want to live. More would do this, I believe, if being "suicidal" wasn't frowned upon in society to the point where it's actually illegal. As long as someone who confesses to being suicidal can be immediately locked up as being a danger to themselves, people who really need help in coping will be too frightened to ask for it. The result will be more suicides by people who could have been saved.

    The word "selfish" ticks me off as well. I'm being "selfish" because the desperation of gasping for every breath drives me to avoid being bedridden, without dignity. Why is it me who is being selfish? Why isn't it the friends and loved ones who can see the pain I'm in and know that every day I live that pain will only get worse who are the selfish ones? We don't treat our dying elders with the same care and reverence we show our dying pets. That sucks.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I actually think there is more "euthanasia" going on than one would suspect. Stop and think about it. If one is terminally ill and wants to end one's life, all one has to do is ask to be heavily medicated for pain to the point of stupor...instruct people around them not to give them any water...then will go into cardiac arrest in three days. It's not as pleasant as it could be, but it works.

    Those people who are paralyzed and don't wish to continue living can refuse medical treatment for things like pneumonia and other life-threatening illnesses...and so instruct their healthcare powers of attorney.

    Those stroke victims who cannot feed themselves can refuse food and will die in three weeks.
    It can be done, it's just a shame it can't be done more easily.
    All that falls under passive euthanasia or passive suicide. Most terminally ill cancer patients who die in hospital die because the morphine levels are so high that it challenges their respiratory system. However, others who opt for passive starvation could end up getting a doctor who is a stiffler for intervention and will order a feeding tube inserted. Without laws that ensure the right to die, you are at the whim of the medical people who look after you.

    Also, power of attorney only works in some medical cases. It doesn't ensure the right to die if you're already physically healthy but no longer wish to live; it doesn't ensure the right to die if aren't terminally ill (in other words, it can't force doctors to neglect you while in your care so that you do die), etc.

    Palliative care, IMO, is immoral when it involves patients who don't want to suffer to the bitter end. Our health care system is way too Christian.

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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    All that falls under passive euthanasia or passive suicide. Most terminally ill cancer patients who die in hospital die because the morphine levels are so high that it challenges their respiratory system. However, others who opt for passive starvation could end up getting a doctor who is a stiffler for intervention and will order a feeding tube inserted. Without laws that ensure the right to die, you are at the whim of the medical people who look after you.

    Also, power of attorney only works in some medical cases. It doesn't ensure the right to die if you're already physically healthy but no longer wish to live; it doesn't ensure the right to die if aren't terminally ill (in other words, it can't force doctors to neglect you while in your care so that you do die), etc.

    Palliative care, IMO, is immoral when it involves patients who don't want to suffer to the bitter end. Our health care system is way too Christian.
    I think you and I are on the same page. I do not believe a hospital can insert a feeding tube against a patient's wishes. And with a HCPOA, your stand-in is you; so I think they would be in a position to say no.

    My point is that people have more power than they realize to plan their exit. No, most of us won't shoot ourselves in the head, but one can refuse transport to a hospital from home for pneumonia (example I used) if one has their loved one's support.

    We need euthanasia to be legal. I completely agree. Judging by the votes on this poll, my question is: "Why isn't it already?"

    Edit: We can also ask for enough pain relief to zonk us out so that we're neither hungry nor thirsty...
    Last edited by MaggieD; 03-04-12 at 05:52 PM.
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    Re: Right to die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    So because I don't stone homosexuals [assuming that's even in the NT], I shouldn't have any Biblical stance on suicide?
    No, I suppose it's possible my comments are confusing in some way....so I will attempt to simplify it as much as i can:

    You stated your belief on this topic is based on what the Bible says...Correct?

    I stated that there are other things in the Bible you likely DO NOT base your beliefs on...Correct?

    The implication here, was that you might need to use another source as the inspiration for your beliefs in this...as your reasoning is inconsistent.
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    Re: Right to die

    Thank you for this post that I am reading through the blur of tears.

    My oldest cat Chutney Occam Walligford has lymphoma. She is just fur and bones. She is still eating and jumping up to her favorite spots but I know that her time is in days now. She isn't quite ready to leave yet but she will tell me when the time comes and I will honor her request.

    I don't support suicide unless you are dying anyway. I think it's horrible that your last few days, weeks or months should be filled with pain and that anyone who helps you will be charged with a crime. However, you shouldn't be supported because of a bad hair day. It's usually obvious when quality of life drops below a certain level.


    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I killed my dog. that was the hardest thing Ive ever done. My other dog, his buddy, died. And when he died, so do the one still living. he lost all will to live. For months, he barely ate. He wouldnt play any more. He was grieving, just as I was. But then he got cancer. The vet said it would slowly strangle him but as long as he was eating and drinking, I was to let him continue on. Wrong. I had anice chat with him one night. We wer laying on the floor....cuddling. And I whispered in his ear to tell me when he was ready. Did he want to be drugged up? no. Could he not stick around for ME, because losing both would kill my heart. Which was selfish. And he answered int he only way he could. He stared in my eyes. One day soon after that conversation, he couldnt get up without me helping him. And he looked at me. He drank. He ate a little bit. And continued to stare at me. And he shadowed me whenever he could get up on his own.The next morning, it was like I could hear him in my head. It was time. Let him go. He didnt want tobe here any more. He didnt want to strangle.He didnt want to have more pain. Why wait until he felt it so badly? Why? for ME? That, was selfish on my part. So I said ok. Today. And i called the vet who came to myhouse. I told him (my dog), he was going to go now. That his friend was waitng for him and I would be ok. To not be scared. And he as sent over rainbow bridge in my arms. Just as the needle was inserted, he looked at me again and laid his head down, sighed and laid still. As the plunger plunnged, I said "go. Hes waiting. wait for me, too. Ill be along shortly" and his eyes ticked up at me in gratitude. and he was gone. I cried for months. Hubby cried for months. And the day he was gone, the dragonflies came. Thousadns of them. He was letting me know he was fine. I did the right thing, before he suffered further.

    If only a human would do that for me.

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